Chessmaster personalities

That information is very useful

If Ubisoft  wanted to prevent "The King" from being used outside of Chessmaster GUI, they didn't succeed at all. The first thing I did when I bought "Chessmaster Grandmaster edition" was to copy the engine from the folder and installed it into Arena. I played first "The King" in Arena than into Chessmaster GUI  hahahahah

I remember the first thing I did was to set a match The King against Stockfish (I love stockfish). The King lost, of course. I configured The King to Winboard easily, I love Arena GUI.

And tacticalthedisaster, I agree with you in post #83, it's so interesting being able to experiment different personalities and that aspect helps so much to learn about different aspects of positions, that I don't care so much about The King strengh. I really enjoy it, that's the reason I bought it even though I know it's weaker.

If you install The King engine into Arena without the proper OPK code, it WILL play a game, but it will move instantly and play pathetically weakly.

That's right. I set this line of code:

cm_parm default\cm_parm opk=****** opp=100 opn=100 opb=100 opr=100 opq=100 myp=100 myn=100 myb=100 myr=100 myq=100 mycc=100 mymob=100 myks=100 mypp=100 mypw=100 opcc=100 opmob=100 opks=100 oppp=100 oppw=100 cfd=0 sop=100 avd=0 rnd=0 sel=14 md=99 tts=67108864

I don't know if it's completely right, since I didn't bothere to find out what each parameter mean, I copied it from another forum. I pasted it in "Init String". If that's not correct, please tell me

The fact that most of the values are at 100 made me suspect it's wrong, but that guy in that forum looked so secure and convinced... he said he tested it successfuly. Despite of that The King looks like it's moving too fast and losing too soon against stockfish, but I thought that was because there is an abysm in rating difference.

That looks about right. Most of the default values are 100. "sel" is selective search (or something close to that), md is max depth, and tts is the hashtable size (but in odd units).

I think "sel" changed values between versions at one point, but I don't remember the details. The OPK value changes every time your PC is rebooted, so you have to determine the new OPK code after reboots. For Chessmaster 10, there's a patch on the internet that permanently fixes the OPK issue. I don't think there's a patch for CM11, although there's a guy here that came up with a hex edit patch.

I'm thinking I may have posted a procedure for patching the CM10 engine in some thread here on Chess.com, but I don't remember which one at the moment.

I just played a match 15 minutes/game. The king even didn't took 1 second to think, It was moving in a matter of miliseconds. Stockfish took almost 5 minutes. Stockfish won at move 19 and crushed The King (the fish flapped The King's face with its fins and the crown fell rolling shamefully over the floor of the court hahahh).

I think I must have something not configured properly, since it looks like in every move The King was only thinking 4 plies, while stockfish was thinking about 20 plies deep.

I upload a screen shot:

I highly doubt 1200+ guy can beat grandmaster personalities. In my experience, chessmaster series turned myself from beginner into 1800+ online player( my initial online rating was 1800 then 2000+).

With long time control like 30 min per game, in 15 years ago pentium 3 (durocore), I won a few games against chessmaster 8000- and 9000 in certain opening with white . (like 25% chance of winning ).

But I never win against further versions or with better hardwares. I may try grandmaster edition some time later with 30 min time control. I still believe I can beat some weak personalities like Alekine(Alekhine is the weakest in my experience)

Last night at 1+1 min bullet TC in my desktop, I played a few games and I am losing against 2000 rated chessmaster personalities Liam and Kim (90% of games) lol.

In your case, if you can paste your pgn, we can review the quality of game whether you have mis- configured machine or not.

Well, yeah, if you don't have the right opk value, The King engine will only play to 3 or 4 plies deep, which is what you're experiencing.

BTW, I found the thread where we talk about installing The King into other GUIs. It starts at Post 11:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chessmaster-11-add-stockfish-or-other-uci-engines?page=1

Oh, you're using the Chessmaster 11 engine (ver 3.50). The CM10 patch won't work on the CM11 engine - I think the thread talks about that issue.

@drmrboss

Thank you for your post.

I wish I would have kept the pgn files to show them right now. I deleted them because I thought Chessmaster was too weak and a lier. As a consecuence for me those pgn didn't have a meaning or achievement, so I deleted them. If you check my stats I don't play in chess.com from 3 or 4 years ago, maybe right now I'm more than the rating 1500 I was able to reach back then. I just played two games this week and won both... maybe I'm 1800 now and that's the reason I won in Chessmaster, I don't know, because I have been playing actively against stockfish all these years.

Whenever I have time to play Chessmaster I'll post the pgn.

Anyways, looking at your stats, you have 1695 rating at rapid chess here in chess.com, at the moment. You have impresive 2046 at blitz. But when you play a chess engine, you have to give it time to think millions of moves to find the best ones, so it's possible that playing blitz gives you advantage over the machine. Intuition is always faster than computer calculus force. So I'm counting with your 1695 rapid chess rating for this case, if you agree.

So, in your case is exactly the same as my case:

If Chessmaster is right when it shows its strengh in the computer (around 2700 rating on a pentium III, one core, which is more or less the same Larry Christiansen was playing against chessmaster. I'm just thinking in rough numbers, but it's ok)  with your rating 1695 you shouldn't be able to beat it, and you said you beat it more than once. According to Chessmaster it's like you have beaten the real life Fisher and Kasparov, etc. Which is totally untrue, just like in my case. As a consecuence your pgn files have same value than mine. So, consider those to inspect.

All this makes me to think all this posibilities:

- Chessmaster edition for us is weaker than it was for Larry Christiansen for comercial reasons (strange thought).

- Somehow there's something wrong in Chessmaster configuration (Strange thought too, since you don't have to configure anything, just install the game and that's all).

- There's a bug in Chessmaster when installed on intel microprocessors (In Larry Christiansen tournament was used AMD micro IIRC).

- We are all geniouses Grandmasters but we lose at chess.com (funny thought).

- Chessmaster is lying to us when it shows its strengh.

- HP and Asus is lying to me when I bought this computers and Performance Monitor of windows is just showing a puppets theater when it shows all 8 cores of the i7 processor.

Ok, thank you!  Now I'm beginning to see the light

  I don't know if it was the settings. I played 5 games against Alekhine in a friend's pc and his perfrormance was highly unstable going from 2700 to 1500. I won one easily , lost 2 very convincingly ,and another 2 that I could have drawn but misplayed the endgame. So there is somekind of weird randomness although I am not sure which setting is responsible for that. Chessmaster tries to imitate human play but the results are terrible.    

Well, I believe Alekhine was prone to drink heavily. I believe that was the main cause of the loss of his WC title to Euwe, so perhaps CM is being true to his erratic play. 

The tts value is the size of the hashtable in bytes. You're using tts=67108864, which is 64 MB. If you double that value, you'll get 128 MB. I'm not sure what the limit is on TheKing's hashtable size.

So exciting now  They are still playing like gladiators in the arena 

you can upload the game file so that the Chess.com servers can replay the game for ALL of us to enjoy  

Ok, I upload the pgn file of the "match of the century", jejeje. They just ended right now, we have a survivor!

OMG, what a change! now they got to the endgame!

thanks watching it now  rooting for the KING.......i like that engine 

Dude, I am not 1600+ in rapid, it is only two games with my friend. In my friends account when I played 5 years ago for about 30 games, I had 1996 in rapid. 

And your current 30 min TC in chess.com is 1200. Check yourself.

This was the amphitheatre of the match: