Chessmaster personalities

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wow... so what does this means? Take your own conclusions guys...

p8q

I forgot to post also "Quality":

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I forgot to mention that in Arena and Droidfish I configured only 2 cores and 2 threads in both, because I wanted to do it in "CCRL 40/40" conditions: they used Athlon 64 X2 4600 which has 2 cores and 2 threads. Hash table and the rest I configured the same.

dannygjk

To people who are discussing the strength of the chess personalities in CM GM edition the estimated ratings are not Elo they are USCF which to convert to rough equivalent Elo you subtract 100. Example if CM GM says a personality is 2700 then that is roughly 2600 Elo.

EscherehcsE
dannygjk wrote:

To people who are discussing the strength of the chess personalities in CM GM edition the estimated ratings are not Elo they are USCF which to convert to rough equivalent Elo you subtract 100. Example if CM GM says a personality is 2700 then that is roughly 2600 Elo.

If someone is referring to the rating given by the Chessmaster program, yes, I think you're right; The Chessmaster rating may be somewhat higher than the true FIDE Elo rating. However, the rating estimates given by me were mostly, if not completely, referring to the CCRL rating list, which I believe uses a kind of Elo rating. Now, the CCRL rating system has to assign a reference rating, and one can argue about how accurate that reference rating is. However, I don't think this CCRL reference rating is based on any USCF rating scale.

When I mentioned my guess of Larry Christiansen's rating, I had his FIDE Elo rating in mind.

dannygjk

I meant the chess personalities in which they simulate players who played before the Elo system was implemented, (devised by Arpad Elo). Alekhine, etc. Anyway few people seem to know that Elo=USCF-100, (gives a rough equivalent). Many people with USCF ratings online say their Elo is xxxx because they think USCF=Elo which it does not.

EscherehcsE
dannygjk wrote:

I meant the chess personalities in which they simulate players who played before the Elo system was implemented, (devised by Arpad Elo). Alekhine, etc. Anyway few people seem to know that Elo=USCF-100, (gives a rough equivalent). Many people with USCF ratings online say their Elo is xxxx because they think USCF=Elo which it does not.

I don't know what the difference is these days between USCF and FIDE ratings, but there was a scatter plot made back in 2006. Statistically speaking, there was effectively no difference at 2200 Elo or below. Above 2200 Elo, there was a divergence, but it never reached as high as 100 Elo difference.

Of course, this was just the average; For the individual, it makes a difference where you are on the scatter plot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140826223421/http://www.glicko.net/ratings/uscf_fide.jpg

 

dannygjk

My estimate comes from an official source altho I forgot the source it was also years ago as is yours. My USCF-100=Elo to convert to Elo is actually less than where I read it. The number to subtract was more than 100. Anyway the only explanation is that USCF must have made some kind of adjustment which made the difference less over the years.

dannygjk

Another source says it varies between 50-100 (Just and Burg).

Problem is both yours and my sources are old. For some maddening reason I can't find current estimates.

CoachTortoise
Based on the content and number of replies in this thread, ChessMaster remains popular even after being abandoned by Ubisoft a dozen or so years ago. (Crunch crackle) So many fond memories of the series. Just a shame to not have an installment for tablets and smartphones.
dannygjk

Yes it would be great to be able to run it on a mobile device, (easily and without emulating it because software emulation costs a lot of CPU overhead). CM has many features and options you can't get with other Gui's.

p8q

Does someone know why in CCRL list there are several engines named chessmaster? I have found this examples:

Chessmaster 11 Toxic

Chessmaster 11 Archangel

Chessmaster 11 Conqueror

Chessmaster 11 Aiglos II

Are they all "The king" engine with several different configurations?

 

p8q

That's right, the fact that chessmaster simulates so many different difficulty levels, with different styles or weaknesses, is what makes it so special and famous.

I wish they would do the same with stockfish or other engines.

 

It would be great to have chessmaster Android edition. I suppose CPU leakage in emulation would understrengh chessmaster rating.

EscherehcsE
p8q wrote:

Does someone know why in CCRL list there are several engines named chessmaster? I have found this examples:

Chessmaster 11 Toxic

Chessmaster 11 Archangel

Chessmaster 11 Conqueror

Chessmaster 11 Aiglos II

Are they all "The king" engine with several different configurations?

 

Are you sure you want to go down that rabbit hole? wink.png

They are custom personalities created by other people (not Ubisoft). Here's a link to the settings for non-chessmaster GUIs:

http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discussion-board/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3054

 

p8q

I can't avoid going down the rabbit hole 😎💊 (I can't find the red one)

p8q

O... M... G...

That link is really good! And I just discovered Glass is highly customizable too! 😃

I'm downloading it right know.

Are there other highly customizable chess engines, aside from The King and Glass?

 

So, looking at the codes, if you don't write a parameter in chessmaster engine code, i suppose it will be set at normal balance (100).

 

(In case someone else wants to create chessmaster custom personalities, I can post under request  a list of all the parameters meaning in the code line).