Kaynight, could you please assist me in finding out how? I'm seriously troubled by this! Do you think a good method of getting a life is following your example and endlessly shitposting on chess.com? How has it worked out for yourself?
Clock-suckers!!
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bestpony wrote:
Kaynight, could you please assist me in finding out how? I'm seriously troubled by this! Do you think a good method of getting a life is following your example and endlessly shitposting on chess.com? How has it worked out for yourself?
thank you best pony, good call on that one, he is nothing but a Troll, I couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge his low brow trolling.
glamdring27 wrote:
If someone doesn't move and their clock runs out then I win. That's fine with me, especialy in Blitz. Then I move on.
I guess for me I would prefer to lose rather than sit idle whilst the opponent has quietly slipped away like a coward. In fact I have been known to resign the game when it's obvious the opponent is a clock sucker. My time is worth more than a win.
Yes, he's shamefully bad at it too, which just makes him seem like such a lost cause. But you shouldn't bother with him; I just got a pm from him saying "You are on your own.. Have just been blocked... Boo! Hoo". His way of covering his ears and running away like that is embarrassing - he must've really taken offense. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if he's got half of chess.com blocked already.
agreed - I don't think I would lose any sleep if he blocked me, in fact it may make this site more enjoyable lol!
I'm not wrong! Everybody else is wrong!
Edit: it doesn't move. Maniacalfox has crashed. I hope I can reload my tabs.
Feb 2, 2016
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slimcheffy wrote:
glamdring27 wrote:
If someone doesn't move and their clock runs out then I win. That's fine with me, especialy in Blitz. Then I move on.
I guess for me I would prefer to lose rather than sit idle whilst the opponent has quietly slipped away like a coward. In fact I have been known to resign the game when it's obvious the opponent is a clock sucker. My time is worth more than a win.
I don't sit idle, I just tab away and do something else. Resigning just encourages people to do that!
The Goal Of My Post:
To help people understand how people who run out clocks are not sucking/wasting time.
They are saving you time.
This was touched on by Diakonia below.
Diakonia wrote:
If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min. If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less, so you actually saved time.
However, Diakonia never really responded to the following response by slimcheffy.
slimcheffy wrote:
Hey I'm super impressed you can add 5 + 5! wow good job! Too bad the rest of your post makes no sense. How is staring at a board for 5 minutes after your opponent has left saving time? If you can make that somehow make any sense at all I will be floored...
I will now show how this happens and makes sense.
To fully understand this I have to break down the area's in Diakonia post which are correct & incorrect.
Diakonia wrote:
If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min. If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less, so you actually saved time.
The part highlighted in blue are correct.
The part highlighted in green is not correct.
Now we begin understanding why some of what Diakonia said is correct and incorrect!
The below part is incorrect from Diakonia:
If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min.
When you start a 5 min blitz game you agree to play the full time allowed to both players!
Since both players start with 5 mins the full time allowed is 10 mins!
However, realistically you will never reach this full 10 mins.
The reason why is because the game will end as soon as someone times out!
Which means both players can never reach 0 on the clock.
As soon as 1 player hits 0 on the clock the game stops.
Which means both players will theoritically never reach 0.
Now lets give an example of this:
Player 1 has 0 on his clock he lost on time the game stops.
Player 2 can not = 0
However, Player 2 can come extremely close to reaching 0.
Which means Player 2 can have something like 0.1 or 0.0001.
Player 1 = 0
Player 2 = 0.1
Player 2 wins on time!
You can see how the game can have a total time of like 9:59.99 min, but it will never trully reach the full 10 mins.
Now you know why Diakonia's statement below in green is wrong.
If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min.
The Correction:
If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which comes close to 10 mins.
Or
5BGTT < 10 mins
5BGTT = can represent the 5 Min Blitz Game Total Time
The below part is incorrect from Diakonia:
If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less,
Is this above statement true?
No it is not true.
Why is it not true!
The reason why the statement is not true is because Diakonia is not accounting for the time invested by both players!
He is only allocating the time cost of 1 player.
We need to use a "Combined Time"
What is "Combined Time"?
Lets go back to the basics and elaborate.
Chess is a game played by 2 players!
If Player 1 moves a piece. Than Player 1 uses Player 1 allowed time.
If Player 2 moves a piece. Than Player 2 uses Player 2 allowed time.
Both Player 1 + Player 2 are using seperate times!
Which means your total waiting time is the "Combined Time" of both players!
You have to account for it!
Now you know why Diakonia's statement below in green is wrong.
If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less,
The Correction:
If your opponent doesn't move, you now only have to wait your opponents time + any additional time you invested.
Which will give you, your total waiting time or total time used!
The below part is correct from Diakonia:
You actually saved time.
Diakonia hit the nail on the head!
You are saving time if your opponent times out!
Why?
Well lets go back to the beginning to understand!
When you agree to a 5 min blitz game you agree both sides can use the full amount of time allowed.
Which means you can use up to how much time?
Hopefully, you have guessed it!
The answer is 9:59.99 mins.
Remember never trully 10 mins.
You come very close!
However, you never reach it.
When you agree to a 5 min blitz game you agree to these terms.
Which means every 5 min blitz games you play should last 9:59.99 mins because you have agreed to this.
If the time ends before 9:59.99 mins than what does that mean?
It means we are saving time! H*ll yeah!
Saving time! Woooooot!
Now lets give a scenerio example:
Player 1 plays 20 moves and uses 3 mins during those 20 moves.
Player 2 plays 19 moves and stops moving on his 20th move!
Dang!
Player 2 has stopped moving! What is he doing?
Who knows? Who cares? Player 2 time is still running.
Player 1 is happy because he is gaining a time advantage!
Player 2 still doesn't move!
Game ends Player 1 wins on time!
What is the "Time" situation during this game!
Well Player 2 timed out using his full 5 mins!
Player 1 only used 3 out of his 5 mins!
Total Time = Player 1 used 3 mins & Player 2 used 5 mins
The combine time used was 3 + 5 = 8 mins.
The Agreed Time for the game was 9:59.99 mins.
The Actual Time Used for the game was 8 mins.
The Difference between the Agreed Time & the Actual Time Used is the "Time Savings"
9:59.99 - 8 = 1:59.99 mins
How much time did we save? 1:59.99 mins
Oh Yeah!
We are awesome!
Look at all of that savings.
We can play a 1 min bullet game with all of that savings!
My Gosh I wish more people timed out!
All of these Savings!
Plus the bonus of allowing me the chance to stare at my beautiful winning position!
Priceless!!!!
slimcheffy wrote:
Hey I'm super impressed you can add 5 + 5! wow good job! Too bad the rest of your post makes no sense. How is staring at a board for 5 minutes after your opponent has left saving time? If you can make that somehow make any sense at all I will be floored...
Yes, Slimcheffy get floored!
Get on the Dance Floor!
Than start dancing to the tune of all your savings!
You had 2 opponents who did this to you twice in a row!!!!!
You lucky guy!
I am so jealous!
X player - have you ever been accused of over thinking things? This post is simple, it's about people who abandon games rather than resigning. It's poor manners, poor sportsmanship and violates Chess.com's fair play policy.
najdorf96 wrote:
Heh. Dunno why you'd want to complain about it.
5 minutes? Try online (3 day chess) where it lasts for days dude. Where a draw is expected or a win and they let the time run down to the bitter end.
Puleez. At least you get the win instead of losing because of disconnection on your opponents end.
Wow. I thought you were going to complain about something legitimate instead of people abandoning their games. Geez. Get over yourself bro.
lol that just means those people suck huge clocks. he just has people sucking small clocks
aerodarts wrote:
I do not find Slimcheffy post to be about Sportmanship, no not at all. if anything, It is rather offensive.
Are you amazed at how far some chess players will go to wait for rating points that has no meaning? Then then try to rally the troops into backing them up by coming up with an offensive title that is play off the discrimination experienced by the gay community.
If someone is playing within the rules, how can they be a poor sport? Does that mean anyone following the rules of chess is a poor sport?
The reality is: Slimcheffy is complaining about having to wait to have points added to his rating. If these points actually meant anything, he would NOT complain and gladly wait for the payout! He would not be complaining about getting his Clocked sucked off. Who in their right mind complains about easy money and free Bj's?
X-Player's post clearly showed Slimcheffy he is saving time when someone stops making moves and he should get on the floor and dance and be happy! Why? Because now he has more time to try to win points that do not mean one damn thing or waste time by writing about it.
Yet, some people will refuse to see the error in their thinking and reach for other arguments that make them look rather foolish. They continue to claim that their precious time is being wasted and the person who is wasting their time is a poor sport!
Abandoning games is not within the rules and it is poor sportsmanship. This isn't about points you dimwit!
No offense X, but you really need to shorten your posts. If i want to read War and Peace i'll pick up the book.
Feb 3, 2016
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#74
I can't begin to tell you lot how refreshing I find it to go on a chess hiatus for a bazillion years, only to return, finding that this topic is still relevant to anyone.
Cues at the supermarket are still the same. Witing for the bus is still the same. Waiting for some pseudo-intellectual to finish his/her rant thus allowing one self to commence with ones own pseudo-intellectual counter-rant; it's still the same, nothing has changed. Did i forget something? Oh yes of course! Chess clocks and their applications are still the bloody same. Get into the game, tonto!
MemberAccountClosed2 wrote:
lol, get used to this happening all the time. Live with it or close your account. Or, you can choose a 1 minute or 2 min Bullet game. Dont cry about it, who cares really. Players will do this tactic just to frustrate any player its part of the game , deal with it or go play checkers.
ok so let me get this straight, according to you there are 3 choices : live with it - close your account - or play bullet games.
How you conjured up those 3 options I could never guess. I suppose to you that somehow makes sense?
Personally I prefer to bring the issue to the forefront and suggest to Erik@Chess.com that stricter rules apply to those caught abandoning games, and after a number of infractions, they have their accounts suspended or closed. This would serve the Chess.com community well and get rid of these clock sucking bast**ds.
slimcheffy wrote:
I guess for me I would prefer to lose rather than sit idle whilst the opponent has quietly slipped away like a coward. In fact I have been known to resign the game when it's obvious the opponent is a clock sucker. My time is worth more than a win.
Then I have an easy solution for you: start another game. You are a premium member, so you can play multiple games at the same time.
If someone is just letting the clock run, just start the next game and play it. In my experience, over 90% of those letting the clock run won't make a move before their time runs out, so just play your new game and enjoy chess and don't bother about the 10% or so you might lose because they make a move at the last second.
Feb 3, 2016
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#77
slimcheffy wrote:
MemberAccountClosed2 wrote:
lol, get used to this happening all the time. Live with it or close your account. Or, you can choose a 1 minute or 2 min Bullet game. Dont cry about it, who cares really. Players will do this tactic just to frustrate any player its part of the game , deal with it or go play checkers.
ok so let me get this straight, according to you there are 3 choices : live with it - close your account - or play bullet games.
How you conjured up those 3 options I could never guess. I suppose to you that somehow makes sense?
Personally I prefer to bring the issue to the forefront and suggest to Erik@Chess.com that stricter rules apply to those caught abandoning games, and after a number of infractions, they have their accounts suspended or closed. This would serve the Chess.com community well and get rid of these clock sucking bast**ds.
Leave the situation, change the situation, accept the situation. These options are, in a nutshell, the baseline of all choices. If you can come up with a fourth option, which couldn't in any way be simplified to one of the three, I'll give you a nice chess.com trophy free of charge.
That being said, you seem inclined to taking the valiant stand and notifying Eric of these injustices, that you've suffered through. While this is all dandy, I feel I must remind you that this thread by no means is an original. There has been hundreds if not thousands, and it's quite difficult to tell one from the other.
Why do you think this is?
Doesn't the staff of chess.cow care? Do they not know that time wasted can never be redeemed? Or are they in fact just relying on you being adult enough to know how to allocate your precious hours?
- Christ sake; how many minutes did bickoring over this rubbish gobble up? You wont get compensation for these minutes either.
Steve11537 wrote:
slimcheffy wrote:
I guess for me I would prefer to lose rather than sit idle whilst the opponent has quietly slipped away like a coward. In fact I have been known to resign the game when it's obvious the opponent is a clock sucker. My time is worth more than a win.
Then I have an easy solution for you: start another game. You are a premium member, so you can play multiple games at the same time.
If someone is just letting the clock run, just start the next game and play it. In my experience, over 90% of those letting the clock run won't make a move before their time runs out, so just play your new game and enjoy chess and don't bother about the 10% or so you might lose because they make a move at the last second.
This is what I do most of the time, however I RESIGN rather than abandon.
slimcheffy wrote:
Steve11537 wrote:
slimcheffy wrote:
I guess for me I would prefer to lose rather than sit idle whilst the opponent has quietly slipped away like a coward. In fact I have been known to resign the game when it's obvious the opponent is a clock sucker. My time is worth more than a win.
Then I have an easy solution for you: start another game. You are a premium member, so you can play multiple games at the same time.
If someone is just letting the clock run, just start the next game and play it. In my experience, over 90% of those letting the clock run won't make a move before their time runs out, so just play your new game and enjoy chess and don't bother about the 10% or so you might lose because they make a move at the last second.
This is what I do most of the time, however I RESIGN rather than abandon.
There is no reason to resign, you can have both games active at the same time.
If someone doesn't move and their clock runs out then I win. That's fine with me, especialy in Blitz. Then I move on.