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B1ZMARK wrote:
llama47 hat geschrieben:

It's just what kids do.

I remember during the start of COVID there were topics like "let me teach you how to wash your hands" and stuff. Obviously just repeating things they'd heard at school. I don't think it's about teaching, it's just sort of a reflex. It's what's in their heads at the moment, so they talk about it.

It's less like coaching and more like reiterating. You may or may not (most likely the latter) understand what you were taught. For example, I thought I solved chess when I saw this move:

My idea was very shallow: Trade queens because... Well, I don't know... because there isn't anything better?

But the real idea was much deeper: after trading queens, black ends up with a horribly passive bad bishop vs knight endgame, and white has total domination of the d file, and white has more space. 

If I Was white and won, I would have been like "wow magic!" while top players would be like "wow, logic!"

lol

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fun fact, that happened today. The example position I mean. I Saw it today. And as you can see I still think like crap

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I teach my cousin chess and im 1200 lol

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little_guinea_pig wrote:

How 800 players coach (the coach is White, btw):

 

black hax!!111!1!!11111!1

white took bishop and black fork???????????????????????????????

stupid hax!11111!

no fair win, they should get banned!

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teaching someone chess because they want to learn how to play is different from coaching people to be better. 

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also i thoroughly enjoyed reading the first post

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ok, do u mean real coaching or just “the horse moves in an l shape like this!”

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B1ZMARK wrote:
llama47 hat geschrieben:

It's just what kids do.

I remember during the start of COVID there were topics like "let me teach you how to wash your hands" and stuff. Obviously just repeating things they'd heard at school. I don't think it's about teaching, it's just sort of a reflex. It's what's in their heads at the moment, so they talk about it.

It's less like coaching and more like reiterating. You may or may not (most likely the latter) understand what you were taught. For example, I thought I solved chess when I saw this move:

My idea was very shallow: Trade queens because... Well, I don't know... because there isn't anything better?

But the real idea was much deeper: after trading queens, black ends up with a horribly passive bad bishop vs knight endgame, and white has total domination of the d file, and white has more space. 

If I Was white and won, I would have been like "wow magic!" while top players would be like "wow, logic!"

I feel like some 800 rated puzzle rush puzzles are like that.

Some stupid series of checks happens to lead to mate, but in a real game you wouldn't play that way unless you saw the mate from the beginning... and it's only rated 800 because new players don't know how to do anything but guess checks.

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chessdude970 hat geschrieben:

ok, do u mean real coaching or just “the horse moves in an l shape like this!”

I mean real coaching. Which I follow up with "what can you do that a youtube video made by any other person can't do?" Anyone can teach you how the horsey moves. Anyone can teach you the rook roller checkmate. 

but not everyone can force you to do checkmate exercises over and over and over again to drill the patterns into your head to get you to spot mate in ones during the middlegame.

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little_guinea_pig wrote:

How 800 players coach (the coach is White, btw):

 

Looool

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Doesn't have to be 800 either... one 1300 puzzles I got recently ended after the first check, and I had no idea why. Turns out it was some tricky mate in 5 all with minor pieces that would be really hard to see in a real game.

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now I feel bad for coaching my 7 year old brother on getting better at chess lol

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Phantom_Beast23 hat geschrieben:

also i thoroughly enjoyed reading the first post

thanks for reading... I spent a little time on it.

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Phantom_Beast23 hat geschrieben:

now I feel bad for coaching my 7 year old brother on getting better at chess lol

if he's still hanging pieces every other move then your coaching is completely justified

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B1ZMARK wrote:
chessdude970 hat geschrieben:

ok, do u mean real coaching or just “the horse moves in an l shape like this!”

I mean real coaching. Which I follow up with "what can you do that a youtube video made by any other person can't do?" Anyone can teach you how the horsey moves. Anyone can teach you the rook roller checkmate. 

but not everyone can force you to do checkmate exercises over and over and over again to drill the patterns into your head to get you to spot mate in ones during the middlegame.

I was talking to @Phantom_Beast23

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chessdude970 hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
chessdude970 hat geschrieben:

ok, do u mean real coaching or just “the horse moves in an l shape like this!”

I mean real coaching. Which I follow up with "what can you do that a youtube video made by any other person can't do?" Anyone can teach you how the horsey moves. Anyone can teach you the rook roller checkmate. 

but not everyone can force you to do checkmate exercises over and over and over again to drill the patterns into your head to get you to spot mate in ones during the middlegame.

I was talking to @Phantom_Beast23

bruh rip

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SnoringElevator hat geschrieben:

Im just here to read.

by all means, continue.

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Phantom_Beast23 hat geschrieben:

also i thoroughly enjoyed reading the first post

thanks for reading... I spent a little time on it.

I also read the whole thing can I get a prize now

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hvenki hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Phantom_Beast23 hat geschrieben:

also i thoroughly enjoyed reading the first post

thanks for reading... I spent a little time on it.

I also read the whole thing can I get a prize now

Thanks for reading... I spent some time on it.

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Phantom_Beast23 hat geschrieben:

now I feel bad for coaching my 7 year old brother on getting better at chess lol

if he's still hanging pieces every other move then your coaching is completely justified

nah he's actually doing somewhat decent he can solve up to 11 puzzles now