Comment if you agree that Magnus and fabi shouldn’t have drawn

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stiggling wrote:
cats-not-knights wrote:
stiggling wrote:

Carlsen apparently prefers his chances in the playoff. The draw offer wasn't a bad decision.

well but playing for a win with the b5 break wasn't that much of a bad choice either, I don't think he would have taken that many risks. he may be the favorite but it's not that going into the playoff is risk free, I wonder if this really was a very practical decision, I sort of have the feeling that he has some sort of psichological hindrance.

I was actually impressed with a5 a4 because he kept his attacking chances while making it hard for Caruana to find moves, which also made use of the time disparity.

But sure, maybe he was showing signs of bending under the pressure.

As for who is favored, Carlsen is ~100 points higher in rapid and ~200 points higher in blitz.

 

in the press conference Carlsen stated clearly that his goal for the day was to going for a draw without taking any risks, so I guess that his opinion quietly differ from mine... 

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He already knew it was not a draw, he had something else in mind. He will get a better opportunity that drawing. We just need to find what it is. 

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Scottrf wrote:
stiggling wrote:

Carlsen apparently prefers his chances in the playoff. The draw offer wasn't a bad decision.

 

It was. Caruana had a minute and a half per move and defensive moves are always harder to find. Get to time control and offer but he has a chance of losing rapid so a draw doesn't gift him the title.

but magnus has a higher chance of winning

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Scottrf wrote:
stiggling wrote:

Carlsen apparently prefers his chances in the playoff. The draw offer wasn't a bad decision.

 

It was. Caruana had a minute and a half per move and defensive moves are always harder to find. Get to time control and offer but he has a chance of losing rapid so a draw doesn't gift him the title.

Sure, I agree. I'm not saying it was a great decision, but I don't think it was a bad one.

Fans, including me, of course would have preferred both players put everything on the line in those 12 games. In some games I think Carlsen failed to do this, and played for a draw even with white.

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Tigerfunx wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
stiggling wrote:

Carlsen apparently prefers his chances in the playoff. The draw offer wasn't a bad decision.

 

It was. Caruana had a minute and a half per move and defensive moves are always harder to find. Get to time control and offer but he has a chance of losing rapid so a draw doesn't gift him the title.

but magnus has a higher chance of winning

 

And he has a higher chances of winning with massive time odds in a much better and easier to play position.

He doesn't trust his play or calculation anymore. That's been quietly evident through the match but even more so now.

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I understand why a draw was ok but why not try to win?

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Although tactically Carlsen's decision was correct, I think we can all admit that we would rather have watched Carlsen and Fabi play it out.

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because people will go crazy seeing 5.5 6.5... Magnus will go nuts. He will better go win all rapids and show a better score.

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I hope Magnus loses the tiebreak(even though he probably won't) that draw was 100% premature

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gingerninja2003 wrote:

Although tactically Carlsen's decision was correct, I think we can all admit that we would rather have watched Carlsen and Fabi play it out.

Agreed

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In Norwegian the word "Magnus" actually translates to "gutless coward." 

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Colingohmann98 wrote:

I hope Magnus loses the tiebreak(even though he probably won't) that draw was 100% premature

 

well if you played a totally draw opposite color bishop endgame then why not playing on this position?

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Nobody gave Caruana much of a chance in the 12 game classical. Not sure it's an automatic slam dunk for carlsen in the tie break considering he's not at his best.

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Magnus apparently doesn’t like the system and by making all 12 games drawn he’s protesting against the way the tournament is run
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What the hell was Fabi thinking of? He knows he has no real chance in the Rapids, he is not that good in fast chess as Carlsen.

 

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Snookslayer wrote:

In Norwegian the word "Magnus" actually translates to "gutless coward." 

How far we've come from Carlsen's decline of Aronian's draw in the last round of the 2013 Sinquefield Cup that would have won him the tournament. Even though a draw won the tournament, Carlsen played for a win, and won the game.

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Yes, that was the stupidest decision on his part. There was so much play left in that position.

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EndgameStudier a écrit :

Yes, that was the stupidest decision on his part. There was so much play left in that position.

I believe that similar advantage have fizzled out into draws for both sides over the tournament, Magnus had no reason to push for a win because he will have an enormous advantage in rapid and blitz

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halfgreek1963 a écrit :

Nobody gave Caruana much of a chance in the 12 game classical. Not sure it's an automatic slam dunk for carlsen in the tie break considering he's not at his best.

The chess experts expected a tight showdown, 3 points difference in elo rating backed that up. It going to tiebreak isn't too surprising.

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I think Magnus already made up his mind to draw everything before Game 11. And he himself offered draw.

I hope he lost some fans today though.....that was not what everyone was expecting. I mean why try so hard when you can get a nice paycheck with less work? Who cares what the fans think.