Conditional moves

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MathBandit

Well phrased.

Danny_BLT

hmmmm, its definatly true what they say about chess players!

KrisRhodes
Zhane wrote:
trysts wrote:
Zhane wrote:

I find the whole concept disturbing towards me. In my honest opinion chess.com should've called them "what if" moves, because nobody can correctly predict an entire match.

For example if I was white my opponent has a 1/20 chance of guessing my correct opening line.


Well, they are called "conditional moves". If they don't guess your moves, then you don't see them. Am I missing something?


 You are missing something because every time I ask why they always answer "I did it to speed up the game." This really bugs me as they do not have a valid reason if I walk into "conditional moves."


 Hey Zhane, can you explain exactly what you mean when you say you "walk into" conditional moves?

This makes it sound like when you trigger a conditional move, you think this means you have made a mistake or you have given your opponent some kind of advantage. Is that what you think? If so, can you explain what the mistake is, or what the advantage is?

Unicyclist

@madvilain What do "they" say about chess players?

 

Also, I don't understand the hatred of conditional moves here. Your opponent has thoroughly thought out the position, they see a mate in, say, 3, which is forced and has no possible variation. So, go ahead and enter it via conditional moves, and it's game over. The game ends much more rapidly, and it's generally easier and more simplistic.

Or it could be that there is a tactical opportunity if you make move x. So, should you make that move, the game will be that much faster and less cumbersome if their move is automatically played in response to yours.

 

Conditional moves show no disrespect to anyone, just an improvement to the site to make things easier and generally more pleasant.

Cystem_Phailure
Zhane wrote:

Right then I shall make this statement as clear as I can.

CONDITIONAL MOVES KILLED A THINKER


Is that really the clearest explanation you can come up with for why you don't like conditional moves?  How sad!

WindowsEnthusiast

I like conditional moves except when they're used against me :) .

Hugh_T_Patterson

I've had opponents use a conditional move on me only to have it backfire on them. While its an interesting feature, I'm not a big fan. I can see its use in the later stages of the game but some opponents I've had have used it too early in the game and the results were terrible.

Cystem_Phailure

I've used them at the beginning of a game, too, during the first few moves of an opening, especially when I'm up against a player whose game history shows he always plays the exact same sequence of moves for a particular opening.  If I also prefer to follow that sequence up to a certain point I'll enter the conditional moves to skip us ahead to that move.

TheGrobe
Does he mean oinquarki? He's dead AGAIN?!
trysts
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

I've used them at the beginning of a game, too, during the first few moves of an opening, especially when I'm up against a player whose game history shows he always plays the exact same sequence of moves for a particular opening.  If I also prefer to follow that sequence up to a certain point I'll enter the conditional moves to skip us ahead to that move.


Thinker killer...Wink

oinquarki
TheGrobe wrote:
Does he mean oinquarki? He's dead AGAIN?!

No way; That's like the third time this year.

Cystem_Phailure
TheGrobe wrote:
Does he mean oinquarki? He's dead AGAIN?!

Oh my god, they've killed Oinq!  You bastards!

TheGrobe
jay wrote:
Yeah, makes sense. Noted as a P3 :)  We have some huge things we're working on right now, but after we're done with those I'll try and revisit conditional moves. There's a # of improvements I could make I think.

Perhaps like this:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/suggestions/combine-conditional-moves-and-analysis-board

Zhane

I shall try this one scenario with all of you idiots.

You start a vacation, pack your bags, leave for another country after logging out.

Then when you return to this site 99% of opponents may have made a CONDITIONAL Move against you. That has spoiled many a holiday for me.

If only you can ask your opponent if its alright to make one, then I respect that view, however if your opponent is predictable and has entered "X" amount of CONDITIONAL Moves then why would you bother to play chess?

EvenDeeperBlue

VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR

TheGrobe
That's OK, YouTube killed the video star.
blowerd

I am very much in favour of people using conditional moves against me!  It shows that they think I will play the best possible move. 

The only thing I would say is I would like to have a final confirmation of a set of conditional moves before entering them. 

Anyway I was white in this game, and this was the position.  It is black to move, and my opponent had being taking ages for each move. 

 

Of course I want to use conditional moves in that position. 

Hugh_T_Patterson

I don't use conditional moves because I don't want to commit to a specific response. I'm old school, what can I say.

TheGrobe
Well, no-one's obligated to use them, but taking offense when your opponent does is just silly.
KrisRhodes
Zhane wrote:

I shall try this one scenario with all of you idiots.

You start a vacation, pack your bags, leave for another country after logging out.

Then when you return to this site 99% of opponents may have made a CONDITIONAL Move against you. That has spoiled many a holiday for me.

If only you can ask your opponent if its alright to make one, then I respect that view, however if your opponent is predictable and has entered "X" amount of CONDITIONAL Moves then why would you bother to play chess?


 Conditional moves do not require predictability. I can enter a separate conditional move for each of your possible responses.

 

In fact I just played a game where I knew I could mate my opponent in three moves no matter what he did. So I simply entered the ten or so different possible lines that existed on the board as conditional moves. I had no idea which of the ten he'd go for. But whichever one he did, I knew what response I would make. So I told the program, through conditional moves, to go ahead and make that response for me once my opponent moved.

My making a conditional move, then, does _not_ imply that I've predicted what you will do.