Dan Heisman vs other coaches. high prices worth it?

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Avatar of Chiyeung

I found a coach on ICC (chessclub.com) who is a IM that charges 25 dollars an hour for a online lesson through skype. I will be receiving my lesson on saturday.

I found the price to be reasonable. But this makes me ask, what about NM Heisman who charges 70+ when GMS on ICC only charge around ~50? Even Asa Hoffman from the Marshall chessclub charges ~50. What makes Heisman so special?

The IM i am paying for has 15 years of teaching experience, and remember that all these lessons are online, except for Asa.

What makes Heisman so special?

Do you suggest heisman or use the 70 dollars for 2-3 lessons from other masters?

Heck for that price, i probably can get a online lesson from alexei shirov!

So what are your views?

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I asked Larry Christiansen and he quoted $30. I never took up the offer. ICC have recently lost my favour, I much prefer this website. The coaching materials, like chess mentor are really useful. 

FM Valeri Lilov has offered me coaching in the past, you can see his videos in the video section. 

$70 for Heisman is a bit pricey.

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Wait LarryC only charges $30!!? its actually 85 for Heisman, but i guess its because he has taught celebrities.

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Or perhaps Heisman is good for teaching beginners. I don't know if LarryC is good at teaching low 1000-1200 players like me Cry

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Hit some good, fundamental texts for awhile and work hard.

You can manage a few hundred points on your own right now and maybe even very quickly.

No need for a coach for that.

When you feel yourself plateauing a bit then maybe that's time for a spendy coach--so long as your fundamentals are sound, that is, but you don't need a coach to get good fundamentals.

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Hi!

Thanks for asking; I get asked this quite a bit. It's simple Econ 101: Supply and Demand. Several people told me that if I lowered my prices they would take lessons from me. I replied that if I lowered my prices I would have to turn people away! Basically when I get too busy then I raise my prices to keep the number of students manageable. Unfortunately I am not in a business where if I am doing well I can just hire more instructors and keep the rates the same. I am the only instructor in my "company", so if I am doing a good job and more people want to take lessons from me, then my only option other than turning people away is to raise my hourly rate.

By the way, most of my students are adult intermediates (1300-1800). I have some youngsters and some adults out of that range (higher and lower) but that's the plurality of my students.

BTW, if you have a question for me directly, better to email than post since I am not on chess.com that often. I also have a "chess tip of the day" on Twitter - follow "danheisman". Smile

Best wishes,

NM Dan Heisman

www.danheisman.com

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Which is a nice way of saying he charges that much because he can get away with it.  No criticism, I would do the same.

Also, keep in mind, playing chess and teaching chess are two very different skills.  Just because someone is a strong player it doesn't mean that they have the talent to teach others.  Dan has a reputation as an excellent teacher.  He has written numerous articles that many improving players find excellent.  Someone like that is  more valuable to a new to intermediate player than a grandmaster who isn't very good at being a teacher and mentor.

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Sounds very true. I may consider a lesson with you Mr.Heisman, perhaps during the summer... but as a college student, 85 is a bit steep for my pockets =]

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P.S your videos on ICC are great, so i can tell you are a good teacher

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Wow! Dan Heisman himself replied on your thread. Cool 

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I really wish I'd known about Heisman's articles when I was just starting out.  The higher price is not for nothing, you would be paying for quality.

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It's good that NM Dan Heisman has responded to your thread. And he is right, if people want to pay him $85 an hour, why not! We'd all take that right?

Doesn't mean you get value for money though! GM Nigel Davies does coaching. He'll analyse your games and send you homework!! A GM... his rate is around £30 per hour. not sure what that equates to in dollars, but he is an excellent coach.

IM Andrew Martin is also a good player who coaches. 

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I recently decided to agree to a 2 hour lesson with a senior and life master. what do you guys think of his study plan? http://webspace.webring.com/people/gb/bmcc333/chesslessons.html#Lesson Information

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I suppose you are right i am only around 1140 on ICC and perhaps hiring a NM or IM was overkill

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paulgottlieb wrote:

From his ICC videos and his "Novice Nook" articles, it's obvious that Dan is a very effective teacher. Is it worth $85 an hour? Well, that depends, doesn't it?. Are there any of Dan's former or current students who would like to share their experiences, impressions, etc.?


Former student ... I'd say he's completely worth it.   In terms of teachers who can explain ideas lucidly and "get into your head" to unclog whatever's blocking your ability to grasp things,  he is the best teacher in any subject I've ever had all my life (including undergraduate and graduate school faculty! :))

Though, extracting any benefit from a Dan Heisman lesson  really depends on how "muddled" you are currently with your ability to play (I was as bad as could be)  and what kinds of brick walls you're facing in terms of improvement ( I was surrounded by brick walls!).  Plus If you're not going to put in any work on your end or learn to think for yourself (which Dan really trains you to do) , you're not going to get better even if you have Carlsen, Anand and Kramnik locked up in your home on a $10,000/hour retainer.

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davidegpc wrote:

I think Heisman was honest in his answer. Further there is one point which should be made clear: maybe Kasparov just charge 50$ hour to teach, but is he the best teacher? Maybe for another GM Kasparov is pure gold, but for someone whose level is 1000-1800 is pure poison, because the student cannot understand anything.


 This is it exactly.  The guy would would be an excellent coach for someone who is an IM trying to make GM might be a wretched coach for someone who is a mid range club player.  Even if there are stronger players in the aboslute sene than Heisman (or someone like Jeremy Silman I think falls into the category too, although Silman made IM at his peak I believe) the ability to take chess concepts and skills and make them understandable to a casual/club player who just wants to improve and enjoy the game is a rare skill in itself.

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Only thing with my coach is that he doesnt seem too serious about it and has no homework or anything. which is why i wanted to pay a little bit more for a serious coach who can push me to my limits. I am doing 3 hours of chess training a day and a teacher could help.

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Sofademon wrote:

Which is a nice way of saying he charges that much because he can get away with it.  No criticism, I would do the same.

Also, keep in mind, playing chess and teaching chess are two very different skills.  Just because someone is a strong player it doesn't mean that they have the talent to teach others.  Dan has a reputation as an excellent teacher.  He has written numerous articles that many improving players find excellent.  Someone like that is  more valuable to a new to intermediate player than a grandmaster who isn't very good at being a teacher and mentor.


That's the way supply and demand work.  If the market will bear it, he should feel no shame for asking it.  Sounds like there are plenty less expensive alternatives if you don't want to pay.

Or you can look at it this way:  A Ferrari and a Volkswagen Beetle probably don't differ all that much in terms of the raw materials that go into them, and functionally they are incredibly similar.  Should Ferrari be ashamed of charging 5-10 times the price as the Beetle for their cars?

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Botvinik doesn't have a chess teacher. He teaches himself. In fact, he is known for saying, "Chess is not mean to be taught. It is meant to be learned." I din't know this until I read Soltis, "Studying Chess Made Easy." Upon reflection, I am very puzzled as to why we've to ask this question. In this day and age, when we have so many books, videos, and engines, we still wondering about whether Silman or Heisman or Name-Your-Famous-Player-as-teacher can be your teacher. My solution is simple. Read Lasker's book, Alekhine's Book, Nimzos, Rezhmeditnov's, Botvinik, ..over and over again until they become your 6th sense. That's when we get good...

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http://www.chess.com/coaches?page=1

 

This may be useful to some of you.