Dirty OTB Tricks I

 National Master ( NM ) isnt a FIDE title and some countries have the NM title. I got mine in the US for breaking 2200 uscf rating and also got it in Portugal for over 2200 FIDE. There is a fide title now I believe for those between 2200-2299 and its CM  = candidate master.

talking tricks two storys 1 iwas in a congress at school and player showed me an opening that the my next oppoment wasn't good at playing i took it onboard and palyed it then a few moves later i realised i din't no what to do and came up with a bad plan lost. the other story was in the school team should always be better and nailed it the other team though moved there board 5 to 1 and droped everone else down for a class diference problem was i won board 1 won and drew on 3 so instead of are opoments wining 4 to 1 we ended up drawing which upset them cheaters never prosper

nice

He moved, and then offered a draw, and then you accepted the offer, so really it is a draw. To have played on would have brought you down to the level of the late Sammy Reshevsky.

There are some interesting stories on this thread.

Reb- I notice the thread is called 'Dirty OTB Tricks I', does that mean that you will be sharing more with us in the future?

i hope so.

i say there should need to be a witness to any agreement of such nature...you should never have your junk in one hand and be shaking a draw with the other.

 Yes, there are more such incidents to come !  Hope y'all don't mind ? 

 Not at all, in fact, I enjoy reading these tales. (Try not to take that the wrong way. )

good story & yes I think you did the honorable thing, and that reflects your good manners...

I learned this lesson already from my friend, who was once playing on the table next to mine in a team match a year ago. In an difficult position, his opponent asked for a draw before making a move, and my friend asked "what is your move?" then his opponent went into a 10 minute thought, (the fact that indicated he wasn't sure how to continue) then responded by making a blokading move instead of a seemingly obvious capture. Then only my friend accepted his draw offer...After the game I asked him what was going on? and he told me, Always check your opponent's move before agreeing on anything, because if he would have captured that pawn, then so and so, and he showed a line which included a series of strong threats that would end up with an advantagous position for him (a rook on the 7th rank and a better knight vs. an inactive bishop).  

That makes me think of Tal's book about his first match vs. Botvinnik.  When Tal offered a draw, Botvinnik requested to see his next move... so it was honorable to stand by the agreement, but you should have gone back to the board before you made the agreement. 

I saw a GM act somewhat inappropriately while playing a class A Player taunting him, at the US Chess open.

well reb i don't think that he tried to trick you!if you were playing a lost osition in a match but it is not clear that you are losing wouldn't you offer a draw!

i actually have a problem when playing otb i just cant sit on the damned chair when it is my opponets move and lose a lot of time from my clock.many players play the move when i get on and make 5 steps so i won't be able to see they moved!i once lost 20 minutes from my clock like that!stupid me!!!

This vaguely reminds me of something that happened to me, though the situation was different.

I was playing a higher rated player, and had gotten into an endgame position which was drawn unless either player made a foolish mistake. I was ahead on time, while my opponent was in time trouble. He offered a draw before making his move. Though I expected to accept, I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something, and was so engrossed in staring at the board, I didn't consider the ramifications of the clock.

After several long seconds ticked by, he angrily made his move and banged the clock. I continued to look at the position, and decided there was no way I could force a win. I accepted the draw and stopped the clock. He restarted the clock and said, "No, let's play on." I stopped the clock and informed him that the draw offer could not be withdrawn. He claimed I had no right to let his clock run while considering the draw offer. I informed him that I would have been within my rights to wait to see his move before accepting or declining.

I won the argument. It would have been a moot point, anyway, as the position would have repeated in a couple more moves and either player could have claimed the draw at that point.

It helps to know the rules and have a clear head about them.

Re: the OP, I understand the reasons, and I agree that abiding by the draw agreement was the correct and honorable thing to do. I'm also willing to bet if the situation ever happens again, you'll look at the board one last time before making a decision. Always expect your opponent to find the best move, but make sure he makes it, first.

Your post is about dirty OTB tricks...but are you talking about yourself or your opponent?  You left the table...he offered you a draw away from the table....you accepted away from the table...and you think that was dirty?

 He hunted me down to offer me the draw, away from the table. I think its a bit on the tricky/shady side, yes. You don't ? In more than 25 years of chess noone ever offered me a draw in that manner. Why didnt he wait till I returned to the table ? He didnt wait because he knew when I saw his move I would reject a draw and play for a win. He calculated that I had gone into this game thinking a draw would be a good result for me and he was right, he figured if he offered a draw I would jump at the chance, again he was right. He KNEW if I saw his move first I would NOT take the draw and thats why he hunted me down to offer me the draw. He was over 2400 at the time and I was some 200 points lower rated.

NM Reb

The same thing happened to me. I knew the player for years, after I had made my move I walked outside the playing hall for a short break. He found me and offered a draw. I knew better, but accepted. Only when we returned to the board did I see a mate in two. I have always thought it was an excellent move on his part, and a rather stupid move for me not to look at the board before accepting.

Some praise is due.

Not as much as for the draw-seeker, mind.  I mean, give him his due, for choosing that vulnerable moment, when a man is just emerging from the toilet and has no particular desire to engage in social conventions, to confront his opponent with such a polite offer.  I'd never do it, but then, I'd never win a tournament game anyway.

here is another one!i was playing against a really good opponet with a rating higher than mine i am not really sure excactly...

it was his turn and i oofered a draw in a drawish position... he rejected because he didn't want to lose rating points with a draw!

after 3 moves he touched his bishop without saying jadoup and he put it back on its square...right then he said me      ok! draw if you want and i just accepted...then he told me that i must have played one because he had touched the bishop and i could get to a slightly better endgame but not won!i easily calculated it and it was really clear although when he offerd me the draw i forgot about the fact that he was forced to move that bishop!!!

i don't think he tricked me!i was the one who tricked myself although i would surely play on if i thought of that

I would have accepted the draw. Not now though- "Well, did you make a move? I guess I should probably see what it is before I decide."