Do players outside the United States think Bobby Fischer wasn't actually that good?
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Dec 11, 2016
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#684
Taimanov also suffered from the heat in Denver, while Fischer was in top shape.
I am an American and think BF was not that great. He just retreated w/o playing a long time to practice the Cecilian beyond what no one did, used it against Spassky, and then played no more.
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Giovlin wrote:
Taimanov also suffered from the heat in Denver, while Fischer was in top shape.
Taimanov didn't play Fischer in Denver , Larsen did .
Dec 11, 2016
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#688
It was called Fischer Fear at the time.
Fischer's opponents would often collapse against him and excuses flowed. It was too hot, I wasn't eating right, I had a cold.
solomonko wrote:
A lot of people tend to think highly of his or her country's player, not only of chess, but also of other sports, mental or physical. Thus, it is presumably true Bobby is more popular in USA than in other countries. I think Bobby is popular in Japan, too, because Miyoko won the lawsuit and inherited his money, thus he had something to do with Japan. Besides, most Japanese like America very much.
Not to mention Iceland, obviously.
Dec 11, 2016
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#690
Bob played MT at the U of BC Vancouver Campus in an admission-free event where there wasn't alotta attendance....in the second half of May 1971. At the time, the temperature up there was about 50 to 60 degrees Celsius outside !
Just playing....Farenheit....
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MT literally gave (2) draws away with patzer ??'s and then basically capitulated in game 6 'cuz he wanted to get back home.
Bob made his living on opponent blunders back then. Also, from GK's perspective, Bob made alotta inaccuracies and ?'s where players like AK & GK would have quickly punished him into embarassing defeats time & time again.
(sorry if this was mentioned already somewhere in the first 700 posts)
According to Dr. Mark Glickman's 1999 paper reporting analysis of 150 years of results, Fischer was statistically the 3rd best player of the recent period. (Lasker was 1, Capablanca 2.) For a list of the top 20 players, see http://glicko.net/research/glicko.pdf
Dec 11, 2016
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#692
Gee, I made a mistake. Bobby Fischer lived in Japan cause there were hardly any Jews. And he loved electronic gadgets. And food....Lots of them.
Simply You guys can say " He is a Legend "
He was that good!
Dec 12, 2016
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#695
No sir....his opponents were that ill.
They carted MT off to the hospital for nearly (5) days immediately following Game 3 of his match w/ Bob in Vancouver. The games hadta be suspended. They say he nearly collapsed at move 20. He needed 72 minutes to make the simple winning move 20. Qh3 ! (& then didn't make it !! He moved 20. Nf3 ?)....& they say Bob said that 20. Qh3 ! woulda polished him off (in a miniature).
And within a coupla hours ?....MT was on a hospital bed in dependent care.
That's what Giovlin was trying to say in #770 in that MT was ill. It just wasn't in Denver & it wasn't the heat.
But then MT was 45 years old & BF was 28 years young.
For decades, Bobby Fischer's prowess has been put down to genius (by his supporters), or to lack of serious competition (by his naysayers)...but thanks to Lola's startling new evidence, now we can finally glimpse the truth of it all:
Bobby was really a patzer, but his secret background in Microbiology allowed him to infect all of his opponents with various maladies in order to win. He never played a decent game of chess, and the images we have of him pouring over Russian chess books and magazines alone for endless hours are BS...during these hours he was actually using his childhood chemistry set to mix up his next concoction...
Dec 12, 2016
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#697
You're making these ultrabroad claims & I'm only looking at one match. I find you very unfair (as I always have).
You wait 'til I get to the Bent Larsen Match in Denver 1971....& how they gurneyed him off too !....You didn't know that did you ?
Bee, I know you're a hellarabid BF fan. And that's okay. But try to see him objectively, okay ?....and not as an oldtime Fischer Boom holdover who can't let go of his own made up homage that he was omnipotently invincible.
I mean, somebody make a statue of him in the US....then get mouthy !
I actually didn't make any claims about BF at all...unless you are taking my humor seriously. I'm not a "hellarabid" fan of anyone; I dislike any fixation on celebrity.
Dec 12, 2016
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#699
Well, we have something very much in common then....
....'cuz I'm not a fan of anyone who doesn't know me back. I am tho', a fan of the human race.
I'm sorry that I mistook your humor. Pleez understand that I get thrown under the semi alot for my views that I feel are justified 'cuza my emotional skew....when others think they're weird & wrongheaded. So I guess I'm a little sensitive about stuff like this. With it has combed my feist. That & my brothers growing up.
Indeed. Heh. As I'm watching the Star Wars Anthology, I imagine Bobby hearing Miyoko say, "I love you." And him replying...