Do you like Hikaru?

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Romans_5_8_and_8_5
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

OP’s logic is, if you don’t dislike someone, you’re automatically a simp. Again, 12 year olds using words that they don’t know the meaning of. As for me, I’m neutral. I could never get into his content, and he acts snobby sometimes, (bro is involved in every other drama of the day) but he deserves that when he’s worked his whole life to become GM. You kinda get bragging rights lmao. Other than that he chill so

How is that my logic? I only called BIZMARK that after he supported Hikaru's arrogant behavior with the old, "nobody's perfect!" 

InsertInterestingNameHere

You acted like his argument wasn’t completely valid, and your reasoning was “lol simp haha”. That’s completely ignoring him and using ad hominem attacks to invalidate an argument. Trolling 101.

technical_knockout

what's a 'simp'?

that short for 'simpleton'?

InsertInterestingNameHere

no it’s short for simple plan

technical_knockout

that doesn't make any sense.

Fisikhad
“simp” is a term used to describe a person doing like anything for another person
Due to internet influences,Some people thought “simp” is “doing anything so that person likes me”
sndeww
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

OP’s logic is, if you don’t dislike someone, you’re automatically a simp. Again, 12 year olds using words that they don’t know the meaning of. As for me, I’m neutral. I could never get into his content, and he acts snobby sometimes, (bro is involved in every other drama of the day) but he deserves that when he’s worked his whole life to become GM. You kinda get bragging rights lmao. Other than that he chill so

How is that my logic? I only called BIZMARK that after he supported Hikaru's arrogant behavior with the old, "nobody's perfect!" 

It is quite arrogant of you to assume that people must conform to your standards of proper behavior.

technical_knockout

so simp = people-pleaser?

InsertInterestingNameHere

I honestly thought you were joking when you said you didn’t know what it was. A Simp is a person that is obsessed with another person so much, that they would do anything for them. Often associated with female streamers and donating money. Google it for more information lol

zone_chess
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

He’s ok I don’t really care

he has the right to be arrogant at least.

How does that make sense?

 

If you can back up your arrogance it's a good trait to have.

So you're not perturbed by critics/media/folk dramas.

Arrogance having a negative connotation among the crowd is a big misunderstanding.
Always having to play nice can tie you down to underperform. In a way, people wanting you to be less arrogant is their way to keep you 'normal'. While any chess player wants to attain superhuman skill.
Many of the world's greatest were peaking in arrogance happy.png

 

Stil1
technical_knockout wrote:

so simp = people-pleaser?

It's one of those modern "words" that mostly teenagers tend to use.

It suggests that the person is a sycophant / beta male / submissive / weak.

zone_chess
technical_knockout wrote:

that doesn't make any sense.

 

As in, the person has one simple plan with another person.
As opposed to entering a real relationship. Rings any bells?

This behavior usually isn't very hard to detect. It's sort of a trait of playing victim. Being overly submissive. In child psychology this is already well known. It leads to the group dynamic where bullies are being reinforced by confident ones ('bros' for example) who respond with their laughter, and the weaker specimen (the 'loser') becomes the target. The whole purpose of education on the social-emotional level is for everyone to become a champion.

But for me personally, a simp is mostly someone who is obviously doing everything in his power to have intercourse with someone without realizing that it doesn't matter just one bit to his individuality whether or not he has it. It's like a destabilized person. And yeah, the other party just has to try their hardest to suppress laughter as the natural reaction...

Romans_5_8_and_8_5

I'm not going to argue with people who think arrogance is a good trait and can be justified by your accomplishments. Be humble. thumbup.png 

InsertInterestingNameHere

Arrogance is a bad trait but it doesn’t make someone a horrible person, we all have bad traits. thumbup.png

Romans_5_8_and_8_5
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Arrogance is a bad trait but it doesn’t make someone a horrible person, we all have bad traits. 

I'm not calling anyone a horrible person. 

Stil1
ShrekChess69420 wrote:

I'm not going to argue with people who think arrogance is a good trait and can be justified by your accomplishments. Be humble.  

So do you dislike Magnus, too? Just curious. Because Magnus thinks arrogance is a good trait.

zborg

AGAIN, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

From that perspective, Hikaru is killing this thread.  Ha!

And, YOU GUYS ARE JUST CHASING YOUR TAILS.  grin.png

llama51
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Well, I mean, to become GM takes a whole ton of work. You need to start young, otherwise your chances become exponentially slimmer. Maybe not your whole life, but a good chunk of it.

From rating graphs I've seen, when people are constantly working on their chess, they stop improving after 8-10 years. For example Carlsen started around age 8, and broke 2800 at age 18. It's been 13 years since then, and his rating is only a few points higher than what it was at age 18.

A title isn't "a good chunk" of your life, I'd guess for those who make it, it's about 8 years of work. Plus like you pointed out, this work needs to start young, so it's roughly 0% of a person's adult life.

Stil1
llama51 wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

Regarding the "arrogant" thing, if you don't like Hikaru for being arrogant, then you must, by default, dislike Magnus as well ... as Magnus wears his arrogance proudly, like a shiny coat.

" 'Arrogant', I’m very happy with. I don’t understand why arrogance is considered to be a bad thing at all. Maybe that’s a sign I'm a narcissist and an arrogant person, but okay, who cares?" - Magnus Carlsen

Eh... I guess...

The difference for me is Carlsen can back it up. Every petulant toddler throws a fit when they lose because deep down they believe they should win every time... but only one person (the best player in the world) is justified in that deeply held belief. Everyone else is just an ill-adjusted baby.

Hikaru does throw tantrums now and then, that's true. In the past, he used to "rage quit" as soon as he suffered a single loss.

Though I'd say he has mellowed out a bit, over the years. Perhaps not completely, but certainly to some degree.

If you ask Super GMs who the "worst loser" is, though, they seem to all agree on "Carlsen" - which is something that I find interesting.

It makes you wonder how Magnus behaves away from the board, while he's still within earshot of these other GMs, but away from the cameras. We don't see his frustrated behavior so often, like we do with Hikaru. But the other top players do.

One can only speculate ...

(From what I've read, Kasparov had a similar reputation, in his day ...)

llama51
Stil1 wrote:
llama51 wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

Regarding the "arrogant" thing, if you don't like Hikaru for being arrogant, then you must, by default, dislike Magnus as well ... as Magnus wears his arrogance proudly, like a shiny coat.

" 'Arrogant', I’m very happy with. I don’t understand why arrogance is considered to be a bad thing at all. Maybe that’s a sign I'm a narcissist and an arrogant person, but okay, who cares?" - Magnus Carlsen

Eh... I guess...

The difference for me is Carlsen can back it up. Every petulant toddler throws a fit when they lose because deep down they believe they should win every time... but only one person (the best player in the world) is justified in that deeply held belief. Everyone else is just an ill-adjusted baby.

Hikaru does throw tantrums now and then, that's true. In the past, he used to "raqe quit" as soon as he suffered a single loss.

Though I'd say he has mellowed out a bit, over the years. Perhaps not completely, but certainly to some degree.

If you ask Super GMs who the "worst loser" is, though, they seem to all agree on "Carlsen" - which is something that I find interesting.

It makes you wonder how Magnus behaves away from the board, while he's still within earshot of these other GMs, but away from the cameras. We don't see his frustrated behavior so often, like we do with Hikaru. But the other top players do.

One can only speculate ...

(From what I've read, Kasparov had a similar reputation, in his day ...)

You can certainly call it my bias, but again, I think a champion has a few excuses. I think of it this way... when I lose a tournament game against a player who is clearly weaker than me, I'm upset. I don't mean a lower rated player, I mean a player who I can tell is weaker by their generally inferior moves.

For a dominating world champion (of any sport), this is nearly 100% of their games... so nearly 100% of their losses are painful... plus champions tend to be young, they lack life experience in general. So ok, they become upset. I think it's understandable.

In my mind this is very different from e.g. Hikaru being upset after losing to Carlsen. By every metric Hikaru is clearly inferior to Carlsen, so he doesn't deserve to be upset. It's just the natural order. Sure he can be upset for failing to play up to his own standards, we all have bad days where we disappoint ourselves, but e.g. the Sauron tweet isn't about reasonable standards, it's about blind idiotic arrogance.