Do you offer or accept a draw when your opponent has a mouse slip and gives you a free peice ?

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So in the game posted above , I  had a mouse slip (recently my hands have started shaking a lot , maybe i have parkinsons early stages, my dad has it too) and gave my queen for free, I was totally winning the game with a full rook up and my oponents king out in open , stripped off pawns, ( a bit weak), then the mouse slip happened , i wanted to first check the king and then pick up his rook with my knight, but unfortunately instead of the checking square i dropped the queen 1 square before and ended up losing it, at that point i offered my opponent a draw, he refused it....i always offer draw in such situations, even without my opponent asking for it, your thoughts ? do u think it's poor sportsmanship  to not offer or accept a draw when ur opponent has made an obvious mouse slip?   Btw, you can check out the game from my game history too, its a recent game between me, tal01vs SNUSKTANT ( SWEDEN), BLITZ 3/2, PLAYED TODAY.

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Sometimes I offered, sometimes I did not. Depends on the mood, position, game status (friendly, regular, tournament etc). In general, my opinion is that my mouse issues or possible Parkinson is not my opponent's problem so I cant count on their draw offer

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Nice post, I fully understand such situations. In this game you were winning, so draw offer makes sense and in a losing position the opponent could have been sportive enough to accept it.

If you may recall, in one of our own games there was a mouse slip by you. But that was right out of the opening and we accepted the draw in 5 moves, you didn't ask for it either. Finally what you want is a good fighting game and not bonus points.

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MrChatty wrote:

Sometimes I offered, sometimes I did not. Depends on the mood, position, game status (friendly, regular, tournament etc). In general, my opinion is that my mouse issues or possible Parkinson is not my opponent's problem so I cant count on their draw offer

Of course My health issues or mouse slip mistake is not my opponent's problem, but basic human decency requires us to do the right thing and show sportsman spirit. it's just like if someone is involved in an accident and is lying down and we happen to pass by, we don't think the other person's accident is not my problem and walk on, we do our best to help him, because we know if we were to be involved in such an accident we would want someone to help us , in the same manner the mouse slip could happen to anyone and most people would not want to lose that way and would at least expect a draw.

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dalnanhari wrote:

Nice post, I fully understand such situations. In this game you were winning, so draw offer makes sense and in a losing position the opponent could have been sportive enough to accept it.

If you may recall, in one of our own games there was a mouse slip by you. But that was right out of the opening and we accepted the draw in 5 moves, you didn't ask for it either. Finally what you want is a good fighting game and not bonus points.

Yeah I do remember the good sportsman spirit shown by you thumbupdraw, kudos to you bro. likewise I myself have offered a draw to many of my opponents, even without waiting for them to ask for a draw or explain it was a mouse slip.

To quote The current world champion Gukesh , " I want to be a good chess player, but more than that I want to be a Good person ", that's the essence of it all, do you just want to blindly collect rating points and win matches at all cost or when the situation calls for it , you rise above "winning anyhow " mentality and show basic human decency and sportsmanship.

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tal01 wrote:
 

So in the game posted above , I had a mouse slip (recently my hands have started shaking a lot , maybe i have parkinsons early stages, my dad has it too) and gave my queen for free, I was totally winning the game with a full rook up and my oponents king out in open , stripped off pawns, ( a bit weak), then the mouse slip happened , i wanted to first check the king and then pick up his rook with my knight, but unfortunately instead of the checking square i dropped the queen 1 square before and ended up losing it, at that point i offered my opponent a draw, he refused it....i always offer draw in such situations, even without my opponent asking for it, your thoughts ? do u think it's poor sportsmanship to not offer or accept a draw when ur opponent has made an obvious mouse slip? Btw, you can check out the game from my game history too, its a recent game between me, tal01vs SNUSKTANT ( SWEDEN), BLITZ 3/2, PLAYED TODAY.

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Most of the time I will. Especially when it is obvious.

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All I play is correspondence chess so no.

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badsitchyation wrote:

Most of the time I will. Especially when it is obvious.

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Hey buddy @ badsitchyation, any news regarding chessmaniac? it was good to hang out there with all the drama!

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Of course, it’s sportsmanship.

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Depends on his rating. If he has a rating which is much lower than me, then no. If it's around my rating or above, then yes.

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For me, it depends on a number of factors. Firstly, if the players have a similar rating, then agreeing to a draw doesn't result in a loss of points, then accepting a draw is an easier choice. However it also, it depends the position. - If White, for example, has a significant advantage (of material, time, space, king safety etc) then I'd say it's not unsporting to reject a draw offer, if Black slips. Also, if the mouse slip is inconsequential, and doesn't seriously jeopardise the mouseslipper's position, then s/he should just accept it, in the same way one has to accept making a bad move. But if the mouseslipper was clearly winning or drawing, and the mouseslip is a major blunder eg: hanging a piece - then personally I think the sporting choice is to accept a draw, especially if a draw doesn't result in a loss of elo.

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I would never do that. Because absolutely nobody actually stops and offers a draw when I mouse slip.
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Check out this #chess game: GeorgesCor vs JohnnyErasmic - https://www.chess.com/live/game/142947239754

For example - this game, on move... 20 I accidentally put my rook on d8 (hanging it) rather than c8 taking my opponents bishop. Up to this point the game was pretty even, although he did have an extra pawn. I asked for a draw (and a rematch) our elo ratings were the same, so he wouldn't have lost any points. But he declined this, although he accepted that the position was even up until the mouseslip. So - i lost the game. I thought this was rather unsporting of him. But what can you do other make the request. Well - here's a thing - instead of clicking and dragging with the mouse, now I click on the piece then click on the square I want to move it to. This greatly reduces the chances of a mouseslip.

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I do, but they resign too fast
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Personally, I usually accept a draw, following an opponent's mouseslip, unless (as I said earlier) I consider my position to be really advantageous. This has happened to me a couple of times, and the 'entente cordiale' which has followed was definitely worth it. Chess is among other things, a social pastime, no?

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I never offer a draw. Mouseslips are part of the game, you should have been more careful with your mouse. Of course in your situation it makes sense and it's not really your fault, but in a game I would assume it was my opponent being sloppy.

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I lose around two blitz games daily due to mouse slips. Perhaps one in a hundred opponents offers a draw in such cases. Since so few opponents offer a draw when I slip, I do not offer a draw when it happens to an opponent.

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I usually would, as I mentioned. Especially in the very early stages of the game. I feel those who answer with the tone of “offended you even ask, of course not” maybe might take a board game a little too seriously. I know most people might not be gracious, but it won’t kill you to be. It is totally at your discretion. I have had the fortune of higher and lower rated players offer the courtesy, therefore I let it reciprocate. Even if no one EVER extends you the courtesy, it still would not end your life if you are the adult. (Or not).