I can only conclude that Caruanovich is a troll based on his flip flopping argument. 1 post he denies the collusion ever happened then he says "okay it happened, but the political leaders made them do it" then 2 posts later he's back to denying it ever happened. And that shot at the US as a whole on his part a page or 2 back shows exactly what kind of tinted glasses he's viewing these historical facts through.
Examples of Soviet cheating in FIDE competition: Petrosian-Korchnoi match, 1971
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Jan 20, 2016
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#283
fabelhaft wrote:
"Korchnoi was disliked by just about everyone he ever faced. Korchnoi berated almost everyone he played. His best games collections are full of insults! That doesn't excuse the Soviet Union, but it does help to explain why individual players didn't like him"
Yes, Korchnoi really is one of a kind! :-) Numerous top players have been told by him that they never will be able to learn to play chess, Caruana being one of the more recent of them. Comments like "How talentless, how talentless!" and "You are the DUMBEST chess player I have ever seen!" said to opponents after games have been standard for a long time. When Tal wrote about what a sympathetic person Keres had been, he closed the subject with "not even Korchnoi had anything bad to say about him!"
Victor Korchnoi was, is and will always be a very difficult person. Rude, extremely selfish, difficult to be around, difficult to talk to and in many ways a bit of a simpleton. He always had a great talent of surrounding himself with the wrong people (e.g. backstabber Ray Keene and those dodgy Ananda Marga people).
On the plus side, the chess-world was blessed to have a world-class player around who was always willing to give it his absolute all. Such dedication! He also had his funny moments. Once he played a game against some youth player. The kid rattled out 20 moves of theory and kept playing instantly. After 30 moves and 2 hours of play (1.45 vs. 15 minutes) the kid resigned and asked Korchnoi: "would you like to analyze the game?". Korchnoi looked down at him and replied in a deep, piercing, stentorian voice: "You don't respect chess". Turned around and walked away, leaving the kid behind in a minor state of shock. My stomach hurt so much from trying not to laugh out loud.
On balance, I'd say we were lucky to have such a unique personality around in chess.
(sorry for the off-topic, Jamie)
Jan 20, 2016
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#284
He means that Korchnoi and Petrosian should be banned from chess.com and anyone who supports them should also be banned.
Well when you spend 15 pages talking about the great botvinnik and Petrosian saying they never cheated and wouldn't have to, then someone quotes them directly saying that yes the leaders of the communist party told the other soviets to let botvinnik win to obtain the world championship you basically say "oh, what would botvinnik know about it anyway? He contradicts himself" it's pretty clear you're just here to request the Berlin Wall be put back up in your country you little commy bastard.
If you were committed to the truth then an open admission from some of the players involved in the collusion would settle the debate on it, yet here you are claiming to know more about the events than the people actually involved.
mshinde wrote:
cheater and supporter of cheater must be baned
As should anyone making accusations.Slander is 1000x worse than cheating.
Jan 20, 2016
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#288
caruanovich wrote:
Uh, now I must fiercely object. Chess classes were taken in thousands of clubs, pioneer palalaces, kids paid nothing for it. Trainers were paid by the state.
That is simply part of the system that existed in the Soviet and Bloc sporting world. The idea was to identify the best and the brightest, and to "develop" their talents for the betterment and glory of the State.
In chess, it was the "Soviet School" of chess training. It was very effective in creating strong chess player.
Jan 20, 2016
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#289
Taulmaril wrote:
I can only conclude that Caruanovich is a troll based on his flip flopping argument. 1 post he denies the collusion ever happened then he says "okay it happened, but the political leaders made them do it" then 2 posts later he's back to denying it ever happened. And that shot at the US as a whole on his part a page or 2 back shows exactly what kind of tinted glasses he's viewing these historical facts through.
No, Caruanovish is not a troll. He is a survivor of the Commmunist system. And somewhat of an apologist for them. But not a troll. I value his comments.
Jan 20, 2016
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#290
Let's not point fingers and make ad hominem attacks. Argue the topic of the thread, not with one another.
The specific topic is whether Korchnoi was asked/ordered to "take a dive" so that Petrosian would meet Fischer in the 1971 Candidates final match.
According to the record, the meeting with Korchnoi, Petrosian, and authorities of the Sport Committee did take place, in order to decide how the final two games of the Korchnoi-Petrosian match would play out (the match was tied to that point, with all drawn games).
Thanks.
Jan 20, 2016
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#291
JamieDelarosa wrote:
Let's not point fingers and make ad hominem attacks. Argue the topic of the thread, not with one another.
Thank you!
caruanovich wrote:
He did not flee. He did not like it there, of course because of the poor living conditions and the lack of liberty, they sure treated him nicely.
This is one of your countless biased threats. When you dislike a fact, your just invent one, to fill the hole in your argument chain.
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Listen to me carefully jamiedelarosa. In a hundred more years, this earth which is going down since the mid of twentieth century, due to the politics of the big corporations and banks, due to the military sector in your country, will either be thrown back for two or more hnudred years in every aspect of life, with Billions of people dead, due to the global problems that were caused by the ressource eating Turbocapitalism of your celebrated Chicago school of economics.
Or, it will come to terms, that is, the earth will change to the good, americans will make a step towards true democracy and strangle the power of the big corporations, USA will become one of many humble countries that will not anymore play world police, it will pay development aid of higher than 20 percent of your national budget to the rest of the world.
What does the second half of this post have anything at all to do with the forum topic? At this point your anti American agenda started to shine through.
caruanovich wrote:
If that happens, the politics of US governments since 1945 will have share of this guilt, much more than governments of any other empire, political system or country.
And here's the rest of it. seems you'd like to return to the good old days, but we took out your fuhrer long ago. Get over it.
Its a waste of time and energy to debate with fools and wacko's. Best to completely ignore them.
caruanovich wrote:
Citations made out of context! I sign everything what I wrote before, but with the context that accompanied the above citations.
Name-calling shows little education, Taulmaril and RussBell.
Why do you assume I was referring to you? Does the shoe fit? Or is it paranoia?
What about the Kasparov v Polgar touched piece.
Jan 21, 2016
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#299
I believe "caraunovich" wishes to be quoted correctly.
Though I do not agree with assessment of life in the Eastern Bloc, he does does deserve to be quoted correctly, as do we all.
The discussion about Kasparov is a bit of a tangent.
JamieDelarosa wrote:
I believe "caraunovich" wishes to be quoted correctly.
Though I do not agree with assessment of life in the Eastern Bloc, he does does deserve to be quoted correctly, as do we all.
The discussion about Kasparov is a bit of a tangent.
I quoted his entire post both times, the thing I didn't quote was a post made in between someone made about man possibly being wiped out in 100 years. So yes, his second post about America being more to blame than anyone was about the potential elimination of mankind. Of course he conveniently adds in "after 1945", glazing over the biggest atrocity against mankind perpetrated by his country.
RussBell, can you just admit that education and emphasis in chess is GOOD, and that the Soviet state did GOOD in promoting it?
As JamieDelarosa astutely observed....
"....Soviet authorities used chess for propaganda purposes, manipulated their strongest players, and arranged results to further Soviet chess through unethical means."
But the Soviets weren't promoting chess so much as they were using chess and exploiting the players. All for the purpose of promoting the superiority of the Soviet Communist system. This is what all authoritarian regimes do - exploit and subjugate the people in order to maintain the power and priviledge of the dictators and oligarchs and who run it.