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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... its a method for instilling in the chess player pattern recognition and addressing tactical weaknesses. ...

How many pages are devoted to describing specific patterns for the reader?

Do you want me to count them? ...

It seems sufficient to note the degree to which you seem to want to make a claim about the number of de la Maza pages describing specific patterns for the reader.

"... I have already stated that I have not made any claims regarding the number of pages that De La Maza devotes to specific patterns contrary to you harbouring delusions that I have." - robbie_1969

I have no such delusion.

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... Or we could regurgitate the second hand claims of others.

In addition to quoting IM Silman and GM Nunn, I have quoted some of that knight move stuff directly from the de la Maza book.

Second hand and regurgitated opinions.  A very poor substitute for using your own powers of discernment.

Would it make sense to rely on robbie_1969?

Again, by the way, the knight move stuff was taken directly from the de la Maza book.

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kindaspongey wrote:

Would it make sense to rely on robbie_1969?

Again, by the way, the knight move stuff was taken directly from the de la Maza book.

I have read the De La Maza book spongey, I know what it contains.  You on the other hand have not.  Would it make any sense to rely on someone who has not read a publication, I doubt it. 

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... Or we could regurgitate the second hand claims of others.

In addition to quoting IM Silman and GM Nunn, I have quoted some of that knight move stuff directly from the de la Maza book.

Second hand and regurgitated opinions.  A very poor substitute for using your own powers of discernment.

Would it make sense to rely on robbie_1969?

Again, by the way, the knight move stuff was taken directly from the de la Maza book.

"... I have read the De La Maza book spongey, I know what it contains. ..." - robbie_1969

Do you see any reason to doubt that IM Silman and GM Nunn have read it?

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... You ... have not [read the De La Maza book].  Would it make any sense to rely on someone who has not read a publication, I doubt it. 

Do you wish to dispute any specific claim by me about the book?

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robbie_1969 wrote:

Can you suggest a book for a player under 1400?

GM Jonathan Rowson : Rapid chess improvement by De La Maza is worth a look.

 

 

De la Maza's book is junk.

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... You ... have not [read the De La Maza book].  Would it make any sense to rely on someone who has not read a publication, I doubt it. 

Do you wish to dispute any specific claim by me about the book?

you haven’t read the book, what are you talking about?

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... You ... have not [read the De La Maza book].  Would it make any sense to rely on someone who has not read a publication, I doubt it. 

Do you wish to dispute any specific claim by me about the book?

you haven’t read the book, what are you talking about?

Whether or not you wish to dispute any claim by me about the book.

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FishEyedFools wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

Can you suggest a book for a player under 1400?

GM Jonathan Rowson : Rapid chess improvement by De La Maza is worth a look.

 

 

De la Maza's book is junk.

I disagree, its only junk for those who do not put it into practice.  Infact for adult players wanting to make rapid improvement its excellent.  De La Maza himself proved the fact with his tournament win.  Infact how are you going to explain away the empirical evidence that his method took him from a relatively weak player to victory in a 2000 rated national tournament and a prize of 10,000 dollars? So out with it i wanna here you say it?

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kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

... You ... have not [read the De La Maza book].  Would it make any sense to rely on someone who has not read a publication, I doubt it. 

Do you wish to dispute any specific claim by me about the book?

you haven’t read the book, what are you talking about?

Whether or not you wish to dispute any claim by me about the book.

I wish to discuss the book with those that have read it not battle against a projection of ignorance and second hand regurgitated opinions gleaned from the internet.  That self evidently excludes you.  How can you make any claims about a publication you have not read?  Please explain.

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"... Infact for adult players wanting to make rapid improvement its excellent.  De La Maza himself proved the fact with his tournament win. ..." - Robbie_1969

If something works for one person, does it necessarily work for another?

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kindaspongey wrote:

If something works for one person, does it necessarily work for another?

That does not explain how or why De la Mazas method worked for him, does it.  Infact how are you going to explain those players whom he cites in his book who also benefited, by sophistry? So lets ask you again, how are you going to explain away his rating rise?

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difficult t argue against empirical evidence, isn’t it.

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... how are you going to explain away his rating rise?

"... The level at which one plays is governed by a number of vague and poorly understood factors. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)

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robbie_1969 wrote:

... how are you going to explain those players whom he cites in his book who also benefited, ...

Who chose which players to quote? Do we have their rating records?

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kindaspongey wrote (~20 hours ago):

... Some excerpts from an approximately page-long description of one drill:
"Use [these drills] if you feel that you are missing obvious opportunities or are taking too much time to find simple moves. ... start with the knight on a1 and move it to b1 in the shortest number of moves, ... physically hit the squares that the knight moves to, but do not move the knight itself. Once you have completed the a1-b1 circuit, move the knight from a1 to c1. ... After you have completed all of the circuits that start on a1 and go to all of the other squares on the board ..., move the knight to b1 and repeat the process. ... This drill will take half a day to complete. ... (64*63) pairs of squares ..." - Michael de la Maza

"... How can you make any claims about a publication you have not read?  Please explain." - Robbie_1969

Again, I have browsed through it. The knight move stuff was taken directly from the de la Maza book.

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Chess style huh? Well, I be like putting my king on the long diagonal, and you have no bishop, that's where it is at. I gots my fortress in motion, I gots my knights circling your king like sharks, ready to pounce. No wait, they are like tigers, ready to pounce. Then before you know it the rooks swoop in like vultures ready to eat you alive like a dinosaur. No wait, my rooks are like dinosaurs ready to eat you alive and stomp all over the board. Before you know it, them game's up and you looking for an ice pack to heal your wounds.

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robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

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... what are you talking about?

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I wish to discuss the book with those that have read it ...

Is anyone forcing you to direct questions to me?

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kindaspongey wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:

... Why take valuable space in a book to bring stuff that an app can do much better? ...

How much of the de la Maza book strikes you as space well used? Some excerpts from an approximately page-long description of one drill:
"Use [these drills] if you feel that you are missing obvious opportunities or are taking too much time to find simple moves. ... start with the knight on a1 and move it to b1 in the shortest number of moves, ... physically hit the squares that the knight moves to, but do not move the knight itself. Once you have completed the a1-b1 circuit, move the knight from a1 to c1. ... After you have completed all of the circuits that start on a1 and go to all of the other squares on the board ..., move the knight to b1 and repeat the process. ... This drill will take half a day to complete. ... (64*63) pairs of squares ..." - Michael de la Maza

If you show a drill, it is better to explain it well, or not? But tactics will take much more space. Of course an author can chose something like 20 tactics pro forma, but this is not enough, you need several hundred of exercises, better 2 or 3 thousand to begin to grasp the main ideas in combinations. A book should advice students which apps are good, and not replace them, specially if they are dealing with a broad spectrum of topics. These kind of drills are often ignored in chess books.

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torrubirubi wrote:

... A book should advice students which apps are good, ...

Is there reason to believe that the de la Maza book has up-to-date information about that? How long ago was it written?