Raul, I want you to say something nice about Kasparov. This statement must not include "but" or "even though" or any other word or phrase that might explain away the great chess player he infact was.
Go!
Well, he was fond of his mother! In fact he liked his mom more than any of his wives. Isn't he precious!
Haha
everyone has the capability of chess expertise and self confidence in chess. but still GM ROBERT FISCHER ...STILL THE BEST EVER IF CHESS IS CONCERN
Obviously Kasparov has a stake in claiming Karpov would beat Fischer, which is why we can't take it without a grain of salt even though Kasparov is arguably top 3-4 ever (according to some #1) but how would Karpov be better than Fischer? Did Karpov study more than Fischer? Was his IQ higher? Was his chess IQ higher? Is 8 years younger enough edge in fast-thinking to out-time Fischer? Psychology shmychology, “I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves”
We have heard biased Kasparov, biased Spassky, and biased Karpov. What do contemporaries who played both Karpov and Fischer have to say (sans Spassky)?
This is a good example of his paranoia, especially in his later years, fast forward to 1:30
That's not really an example of paranoia. He was harassed by the US.
Also, take note of what he says at 2:30
Well, it is true enough that it was a little dangerous to be an American in an Islamic country at times. Some radical could kill him. Even Robert Fisk the journalist said that he would rather look more Arabic in those countries. Nuts exist in every country, and it's a lot easier/cheaper to kill in some of those countries.
Spaghettio, I'm with you
I didn't really get what fyyor said about 1:30. Half the people in America thought Bush was crazy. Someone will have to explain it to me.
Also what Fischer said at 2:30 convinces me he wasn't completely bonkers. He was a friend of the radical muslims---he wanted them to wipe out America---and yet he felt unsafe in Mulim countries---quite logical.
I don't doubt that Kasparov would beat Fischer in head-to-head for the same reason Fischer would beat Capablanca, Capablanca would beat Morphy, and Morphy would crush Philidor...the benefit of being born later. If "greatest ever" meant who'd win head-to-head among the greats, the answer would be Anand because he is the most recent. I bet Kasparov would get beaten by Anand today.
It doesn't answer who'd win in 1975 between Karpov and Fischer and there were people who played them both in the 70's.
This is a good example of his paranoia, especially in his later years, fast forward to 1:30
That's not really an example of paranoia. He was harassed by the US.
Also, take note of what he says at 2:30
Well, it is true enough that it was a little dangerous to be an American in an Islamic country at times. Some radical could kill him. Even Robert Fisk the journalist said that he would rather look more Arabic in those countries. Nuts exist in every country, and it's a lot easier/cheaper to kill in some of those countries.
Spaghettio, I'm with you
I didn't really get what fyyor said about 1:30. Half the people in America thought Bush was crazy. Someone will have to explain it to me.
Also what Fischer said at 2:30 convinces me he wasn't completely bonkers. He was a friend of the radical muslims---he wanted them to wipe out America---and yet he felt unsafe in Mulim countries---quite logical.
Bobby Fischer supported the country that supported him. I'm sure you seen the interview before the '72 match where he said he wanted to win because the "prestige of this country is at stake", referring to the USA. But my point about the paranoia I still think has merit, Donald Byrne said he was afraid to fly because the Russian KGB might blow up the plane. That by itself might seem anecdotal, but that little bit I posted came straight from his mouth! That lends credence to what Donald Byrne said in the 70's. There is lots of evidence to support him being paranoid. Cavities, fillings removed, cameras turned off, jews after him, russians after him, and now he doesn't feel safe around muslims! He is also known to have destroyed friendships that have lasted years over little missteps.
The sad part is the one place he put in full trust, the Worldwide Church of God, gladly took most of his money and didn't give back much of anything. It's a pity really. Lose lose for him in the trust department.
Paranoia yes, afraid to fly---hogwash! H flew all over the world a hundred times. Paranoia yes, having all your fillings removed---bull crap! He loved eating too much! Having a noisy camera turned off is normal. An American who doesnt feel safe in a Muslim country---normal.
"He is also known to have destroyed friendships that have lasted years over little missteps." Thats probably happened to all of us.
The church thing was sad but not a complete washout---they got him dates with good looking women!
Most of the things said about Fischer were untrue, exaggerated, blown out of proportion.
And thats the name of that tune boys and girls
It is a well known fact that he had his fillings removed! Some conclude it was his paranoia, others that he did it because he didn't like the fillings themselves. But it is fact that all his fillings were taken out at one point.
Has anyone read the book Endgame on Fischer's life ? I think I will soon add that one nto my collection....
Has anyone read the book Endgame on Fischer's life ? I think I will soon add that one nto my collection....
Yes. It's decent, but there are some things that are bad about it. Frank Brady describes events in such detail sometimes that is completely unnecessary and untrue. Claiming to know what Fischer is thinking about when such and such happens for example. There's alot of "storytelling" language used that feels disingenuine sometimes. Like this for example:
"Six-year-old Bobby studied the maze. His effort lasted only a few
seconds. He lifted his stubby number-2 yellow pencil and began to trace
the route to a damsel imprisoned in a castle cell in the puzzle’s center.
To rescue her, the knight, armed with a lance, would have to determine
the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from her prison to the concluding space without crossing a line. At First, Bobby entered the maze at the top right corner. Working his way hurriedly through the alleys, circles, roundabouts, and barriers, he found himself trapped in a dead end, deadlocked and defeated.
He quickly erased his work, put down his pencil, and studied the
problem before him, deciding that if he began the journey at a different
corner of the puzzle, he might gain access to the damsel’s cell. He let his
eyes examine each of the remaining starting-point possibilities—top
left, bottom left, and bottom right—and then, in a form of backward
reasoning, tracked the path from the princess to the knight. After
several minutes, he saw that there was one path and one path only that
led to the maiden—starting at bottom left. Now understanding the
maze’s algorithm, he took up his pencil again, cut though the Gordian
knot, and completed the task."
He couldn't have possibly been there to see that and there's no way it was described to him. Maybe someone offhand mentioned "He liked mazes when he was little", but that would be it. He's simply making it up to make the story sound more interesting. Me personally I don't think it's necessary.
Also, the second half of the book slows down a bit because it's about Fischer after his 1972 match when he "retired". Coupled with the storytelling fluff it kind of leaves something to be desired.
I'm not sure if it's better than "Profile Of A Prodigy" also by Frank Brady because I haven't read that, but it's decent nevertheless.
It is a well known fact that he had his fillings removed! Some conclude it was his paranoia, others that he did it because he didn't like the fillings themselves. But it is fact that all his fillings were taken out at one point.
But it is not well known by me! Turn to page 223 in Brady's new book on Fischer "Endgame".
Brady---"This last piece of physical business (teeth) has been so distorted by the press over the years that it has entered the "Bobby Fischer Urban Legends Storybook" as proof of his insanity. Somewhere he was quoted as saying that he'd had his fillings removed because he feared that the Soviets could affect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through the metal in his teeth----and virtually every profile and book written about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or misremembered or Bobby was joshing the reporter...
It is a well known fact that he had his fillings removed! Some conclude it was his paranoia, others that he did it because he didn't like the fillings themselves. But it is fact that all his fillings were taken out at one point.
But it is not well known by me! Turn to page 223 in Brady's new book on Fischer "Endgame".
Brady---"This last piece of physical business (teeth) has been so distorted by the press over the years that it has entered the "Bobby Fischer Urban Legends Storybook" as proof of his insanity. Somewhere he was quoted as saying that he'd had his fillings removed because he feared that the Soviets could affect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through the metal in his teeth----and virtually every profile and book written about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or misremembered or Bobby was joshing the reporter...
Hehe, that isn't the full paragraph! Here is the rest:
"This last piece of physical business has been so distorted by the press
over the years that it has entered the “Bobby Fischer Urban Legend
Storybook” as proof of his “insanity.” Somewhere he was quoted as
saying that he’d had his fillings removed because he feared that the
Soviets could a;ect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through
the metal in his teeth—and virtually every profile and book written
about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or
misremembered, or Bobby was joshing the reporter who recorded it,
because the truth is that he had the fillings removed for what he
believed was a legitimate health reason. He was solicitous toward Ethel
Collins about this, since she’d been suffering with a chronic gum problem for years"
I will accept that we were both half right. He did have his fillings removed, but it wasn't due to paranoia. ;)
Has anyone read the book Endgame on Fischer's life ? I think I will soon add that one nto my collection....
Yes. It's decent, but there are some things that are bad about it. Frank Brady describes events in such detail sometimes that is completely unnecessary and untrue. Claiming to know what Fischer is thinking about when such and such happens for example. There's alot of "storytelling" language used that feels disingenuine sometimes. Like this for example:
"Six-year-old Bobby studied the maze. His effort lasted only a few
seconds. He lifted his stubby number-2 yellow pencil and began to trace
the route to a damsel imprisoned in a castle cell in the puzzle’s center.
To rescue her, the knight, armed with a lance, would have to determine
the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from her prison to the concluding space without crossing a line. At First, Bobby entered the maze at the top right corner. Working his way hurriedly through the alleys, circles, roundabouts, and barriers, he found himself trapped in a dead end, deadlocked and defeated.
He quickly erased his work, put down his pencil, and studied the
problem before him, deciding that if he began the journey at a different
corner of the puzzle, he might gain access to the damsel’s cell. He let his
eyes examine each of the remaining starting-point possibilities—top
left, bottom left, and bottom right—and then, in a form of backward
reasoning, tracked the path from the princess to the knight. After
several minutes, he saw that there was one path and one path only that
led to the maiden—starting at bottom left. Now understanding the
maze’s algorithm, he took up his pencil again, cut though the Gordian
knot, and completed the task."
He couldn't have possibly been there to see that and there's no way it was described to him. Maybe someone offhand mentioned "He liked mazes when he was little", but that would be it. He's simply making it up to make the story sound more interesting. Me personally I don't think it's necessary.
Also, the second half of the book slows down a bit because it's about Fischer after his 1972 match when he "retired". Coupled with the storytelling fluff it kind of leaves something to be desired.
I'm not sure if it's better than "Profile Of A Prodigy" also by Frank Brady because I haven't read that, but it's decent nevertheless.
fyyor, Why dont you think Fischer's mother or sister could have told him about the maze. Thats exactly the way an itelligent kid would solve it. Dont you think Bobby like puzzle games, mazes etc.
Sometimes your explanations sound a little wacky!
Has anyone read the book Endgame on Fischer's life ? I think I will soon add that one nto my collection....
Yes. It's decent, but there are some things that are bad about it. Frank Brady describes events in such detail sometimes that is completely unnecessary and untrue. Claiming to know what Fischer is thinking about when such and such happens for example. There's alot of "storytelling" language used that feels disingenuine sometimes. Like this for example:
"Six-year-old Bobby studied the maze. His effort lasted only a few
seconds. He lifted his stubby number-2 yellow pencil and began to trace
the route to a damsel imprisoned in a castle cell in the puzzle’s center.
To rescue her, the knight, armed with a lance, would have to determine
the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from the proper starting point to get to the damsel, and then move her from her prison to the concluding space without crossing a line. At First, Bobby entered the maze at the top right corner. Working his way hurriedly through the alleys, circles, roundabouts, and barriers, he found himself trapped in a dead end, deadlocked and defeated.
He quickly erased his work, put down his pencil, and studied the
problem before him, deciding that if he began the journey at a different
corner of the puzzle, he might gain access to the damsel’s cell. He let his
eyes examine each of the remaining starting-point possibilities—top
left, bottom left, and bottom right—and then, in a form of backward
reasoning, tracked the path from the princess to the knight. After
several minutes, he saw that there was one path and one path only that
led to the maiden—starting at bottom left. Now understanding the
maze’s algorithm, he took up his pencil again, cut though the Gordian
knot, and completed the task."
He couldn't have possibly been there to see that and there's no way it was described to him. Maybe someone offhand mentioned "He liked mazes when he was little", but that would be it. He's simply making it up to make the story sound more interesting. Me personally I don't think it's necessary.
Also, the second half of the book slows down a bit because it's about Fischer after his 1972 match when he "retired". Coupled with the storytelling fluff it kind of leaves something to be desired.
I'm not sure if it's better than "Profile Of A Prodigy" also by Frank Brady because I haven't read that, but it's decent nevertheless.
fyyor, Why dont you think Fischer's mother or sister could have told him about the maze. Thats exactly the way an itelligent kid would solve it. Dont you think Bobby like puzzle games, mazes etc.
Sometimes your explanations sound a little wacky!
Who remembers in detail a 6 year old completing a random maze!? It sounds exactly the way an intelligent kid would solve it because it is made up! I don't mean made up like Fischer wasn't able to do it, I mean the details were added and it wasn't necessary. Here, I will re-write that passage for Brady in a more genuine and to the point tone:
"Bobby Fischer loved puzzles and mazes when he was younger."
BAM!
His book would be shorter... but better! I don't want to hear the authors "flavor" storytelling
It is a well known fact that he had his fillings removed! Some conclude it was his paranoia, others that he did it because he didn't like the fillings themselves. But it is fact that all his fillings were taken out at one point.
But it is not well known by me! Turn to page 223 in Brady's new book on Fischer "Endgame".
Brady---"This last piece of physical business (teeth) has been so distorted by the press over the years that it has entered the "Bobby Fischer Urban Legends Storybook" as proof of his insanity. Somewhere he was quoted as saying that he'd had his fillings removed because he feared that the Soviets could affect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through the metal in his teeth----and virtually every profile and book written about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or misremembered or Bobby was joshing the reporter...
Hehe, that isn't the full paragraph! Here is the rest:
"This last piece of physical business has been so distorted by the press
over the years that it has entered the “Bobby Fischer Urban Legend
Storybook” as proof of his “insanity.” Somewhere he was quoted as
saying that he’d had his fillings removed because he feared that the
Soviets could a;ect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through
the metal in his teeth—and virtually every profile and book written
about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or
misremembered, or Bobby was joshing the reporter who recorded it,
because the truth is that he had the fillings removed for what he
believed was a legitimate health reason. He was solicitous toward Ethel
Collins about this, since she’d been suffering with a chronic gum problem for years"
I will accept that we were both half right. He did have his fillings removed, but it wasn't due to paranoia. ;)
I belive you said he had all his fillings removed. He only had the metal fillings removed for the irritation they caused his gums. And they were replaced with non-metal fillings. Fillings can consist of gold, silver, porcelain, or teeth colored, plastic and glass material.
It is a well known fact that he had his fillings removed! Some conclude it was his paranoia, others that he did it because he didn't like the fillings themselves. But it is fact that all his fillings were taken out at one point.
But it is not well known by me! Turn to page 223 in Brady's new book on Fischer "Endgame".
Brady---"This last piece of physical business (teeth) has been so distorted by the press over the years that it has entered the "Bobby Fischer Urban Legends Storybook" as proof of his insanity. Somewhere he was quoted as saying that he'd had his fillings removed because he feared that the Soviets could affect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through the metal in his teeth----and virtually every profile and book written about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or misremembered or Bobby was joshing the reporter...
Hehe, that isn't the full paragraph! Here is the rest:
"This last piece of physical business has been so distorted by the press
over the years that it has entered the “Bobby Fischer Urban Legend
Storybook” as proof of his “insanity.” Somewhere he was quoted as
saying that he’d had his fillings removed because he feared that the
Soviets could a;ect his mind by sending harmful radio signals through
the metal in his teeth—and virtually every profile and book written
about Bobby since has mentioned it. Either the quote was spurious or
misremembered, or Bobby was joshing the reporter who recorded it,
because the truth is that he had the fillings removed for what he
believed was a legitimate health reason. He was solicitous toward Ethel
Collins about this, since she’d been suffering with a chronic gum problem for years"
I will accept that we were both half right. He did have his fillings removed, but it wasn't due to paranoia. ;)
I belive you said he had all his fillings removed. He only had the metal fillings removed for the irritation they caused his gums. And they were replaced with non-metal fillings. Fillings can consist of gold, silver, porcelain, or teeth colored, plastic and glass material.
Raul, I'm disappointed, now you're grasping at straws. He did have ALL his filings removed. Read just two more paragraphs down from that passage you quoted.
"Consequently, Bobby had all of his fillings removed by a dentist in a
quick procedure (it only took a few minutes), and he recommended
that Ethel do so too. He admitted that eating without fillings was
“uncomfortable,” but it was better than the alternative of losing all of
one’s teeth, which he predicted would happen if the fillings remained."
We both love him but lets not try to sit on semantics.
I believe there are many lies told about Fischer today and in the future it will only get worse. I have been reading about Fischer over 3 decades and today am hesitant to believe anything new I read about him that I never heard before... especially if its completely new and negative. He made many powerful enemies with his hate filled tirades/interviews and I dont doubt even for a moment that they will do all they can ( fair and foul ) to destroy everything they can about him.....
I believe there are many lies told about Fischer today and in the future it will only get worse. I have been reading about Fischer over 3 decades and today am hesitant to believe anything new I read about him that I never heard before... especially if its completely new and negative. He made many powerful enemies with his hate filled tirades/interviews and I dont doubt even for a moment that they will do all they can ( fair and foul ) to destroy everything they can about him.....
It's definately possible. On the good side of things Frank Brady does try to do him some justice by burying myths. I just don't like his storytelling when he claims to know what Bobby Fischer is doing or thinking and then describes it in detail like he's standing next to Fischer 24/7 and can read his mind. When his paragraphs start with "Regina said in an interview" or "Fischer wrote", it makes good sense. But when the author goes on this fluffy storytelling nonsense I am disappointed.
Raul, I want you to say something nice about Kasparov. This statement must not include "but" or "even though" or any other word or phrase that might explain away the great chess player he infact was.
Go!
Well, he was fond of his mother! In fact he liked his mom more than any of his wives. Isn't he precious!