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Quote: "I plan live based on my own moral standard". So if this is good enough and fair enough for you to do, why is it not right for everyone else to do the same, including Fischer?
queenie wrote: Quote: "I plan live based on my own moral standard". So if this is good enough and fair enough for you to do, why is it not right for everyone else to do the same, including Fischer?
Do not confuse him too much queenie.
Those that obey only self created standards are the first to criticise. Somehow such people think thier standards are the Supreme end all to end all.
Silentfilmstar wanted me to post a fair analysis of Fischer's life for him. The point was for him to give a fair analysis ,which by the way he did not do. Nor did he in any way prove the accuracy or fairness of his extremely rude remark about the deceased man.
I had given quite enough fair analysis already which he apparently rejected out of hand. I had expected no less from him.
The-TRUTH -is an infinity relative thing to him. I guess he knows nothing of the old addage, "The truth is the truth ,is the truth."
I still contend that not only was he extremely rude with his remarks but he was grossly wrong also.
Silentfilmstar, "if" you really want a fair analysis do the research yourself, nothing better than learning by making your own effort!
I will not hold my breath though.-SIX
queenie wrote: Quote: "I plan live based on my own moral standard". So if this is good enough and fair enough for you to do, why is it not right for everyone else to do the same, including Fischer?
Perhaps you didn't read the very next sentence of my post. Here, I'll copy it for you: "Anyone who disagrees with my actions has every right to do so." Without disagreement, there will never be growth. Healthy discourse is necessary to challenge even our own ideas.
"Those that obey only self created standards are the first to criticise."
How can one have standards that aren't self created, if one believes in free will?
"Somehow such people think thier standards are the Supreme end all to end all."
I have given nothing but my own opinion and my own analysis.
"Silentfilmstar wanted me to post a fair analysis of Fischer's life for him. The point was for him to give a fair analysis ,which by the way he did not do."
I have already given my analysis. I find it fair. Note that such things are subjective. Each person must form his own opinions based on the information given. It is you who is trying to hold me to your standard.
"Nor did he in any way prove the accuracy or fairness of his extremely rude remark about the deceased man."
Once again, opinion. I've weighed the importance of his positive impact, and you've weighed the importance of his negative impact. Neither of us thinks the counterpoint to be very important. We differ in opinion. No 'proof' can change that, as we're both aware of the aspects of this man's life.
"I had given quite enough fair analysis already which he apparently rejected out of hand. I had expected no less from him."
I disagreed with your opinions. They are opinions.
" The-TRUTH -is an infinity relative thing to him. I guess he knows nothing of the old addage, "The truth is the truth ,is the truth.""
The way we view the life of a person is relative to our respective upbringings, as is the way we assign importance to a person's actions. The only matters of truth are the facts involving Fischer's life. We have, as of yet, not had any disagreement on the facts. Therefore, we are both aware of the objective truth. The rest is opinion and I'm sure you realize that opinion is relative.
"I still contend that not only was he extremely rude with his remarks but he was grossly wrong also."
Fair enough. That is your right.
"Silentfilmstar, "if" you really want a fair analysis do the research yourself, nothing better than learning by making your own effort!
I will not hold my breath though.-SIX"
You already know where I stand. I wasn't asking you to do any work for me. I was just wondering how, without overplaying the importance of chess in the man's life, one could actually still view him as a good person. We differ in opinion, and I'm fine with that. Why can't you be?
We can't uderstand genius only other genius can understand genius.I agreed with Fischer in everything what he said.I don't like him only because he was the greatest chess player,I like him also because he was a very good man.
Feb 3, 2008
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Fischer: Good or Bad? More to the point, does it matter? A great number of great men (do not confuse great with good) have been unpleasnat characters to varying degrees. Newton is one example: a genius probably but a thoroughly unpleasant person undoubtedly. Newton is still regarded as one of the greatest physicists ever. I don't see why the same cannot apply to Fischer, a great chess player but a rather unpleasant man. I will still regard his games as high art but would not wish to share a room with him if he were still alive.
Hi guys, lets not argue with this... fischer is dead and we should respect the dead... I POST THIS VIDEO NOT TO BE THE SOURCE OF YOUR DEBATES BUT TO SEE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS HE HAS DONE...
Sorry for posting this videos...
P.S. I dont like what he(fischer) is doing in his years after his profesional chess but remembering he died and left us with his best works(chess960, fischer clock...)
wisegi wrote: Hey tell me more about Fischers works, Chess960 whats this? Fischer clock how does it work? Ive heard of Fischerandom has anyone had experience playing it? Fischers creation! I love that concept lets share this positive side! Anyone.
you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_fischer
fischer random chess or chess960 is an interesting game...
silentfilmstar13 wrote:
"Those that obey only self created standards are the first to criticise."
How can one have standards that aren't self created, if one believes in free will?
"Somehow such people think thier standards are the Supreme end all to end all."
I have given nothing but my own opinion and my own analysis.
"Silentfilmstar wanted me to post a fair analysis of Fischer's life for him. The point was for him to give a fair analysis ,which by the way he did not do."
I have already given my analysis. I find it fair. Note that such things are subjective. Each person must form his own opinions based on the information given. It is you who is trying to hold me to your standard.
"Nor did he in any way prove the accuracy or fairness of his extremely rude remark about the deceased man."
Once again, opinion. I've weighed the importance of his positive impact, and you've weighed the importance of his negative impact. Neither of us thinks the counterpoint to be very important. We differ in opinion. No 'proof' can change that, as we're both aware of the aspects of this man's life.
"I had given quite enough fair analysis already which he apparently rejected out of hand. I had expected no less from him."
I disagreed with your opinions. They are opinions.
" The-TRUTH -is an infinity relative thing to him. I guess he knows nothing of the old addage, "The truth is the truth ,is the truth.""
The way we view the life of a person is relative to our respective upbringings, as is the way we assign importance to a person's actions. The only matters of truth are the facts involving Fischer's life. We have, as of yet, not had any disagreement on the facts. Therefore, we are both aware of the objective truth. The rest is opinion and I'm sure you realize that opinion is relative.
"I still contend that not only was he extremely rude with his remarks but he was grossly wrong also."
Fair enough. That is your right.
"Silentfilmstar, "if" you really want a fair analysis do the research yourself, nothing better than learning by making your own effort!
I will not hold my breath though.-SIX"
You already know where I stand. I wasn't asking you to do any work for me. I was just wondering how, without overplaying the importance of chess in the man's life, one could actually still view him as a good person. We differ in opinion, and I'm fine with that. Why can't you be?
OK, Silentfimstar I can be. Do not think that I totally rejected your view. I did understand how bad those hatefilled comments Fischer made were. I just weighed them against the other aspects of his life and came to a very different conclusion than you.
Fair enough.
Have a nice day.-SIX
SIXGUNS wrote: silentfilmstar13 wrote:
"Those that obey only self created standards are the first to criticise."
How can one have standards that aren't self created, if one believes in free will?
"Somehow such people think thier standards are the Supreme end all to end all."
I have given nothing but my own opinion and my own analysis.
"Silentfilmstar wanted me to post a fair analysis of Fischer's life for him. The point was for him to give a fair analysis ,which by the way he did not do."
I have already given my analysis. I find it fair. Note that such things are subjective. Each person must form his own opinions based on the information given. It is you who is trying to hold me to your standard.
"Nor did he in any way prove the accuracy or fairness of his extremely rude remark about the deceased man."
Once again, opinion. I've weighed the importance of his positive impact, and you've weighed the importance of his negative impact. Neither of us thinks the counterpoint to be very important. We differ in opinion. No 'proof' can change that, as we're both aware of the aspects of this man's life.
"I had given quite enough fair analysis already which he apparently rejected out of hand. I had expected no less from him."
I disagreed with your opinions. They are opinions.
" The-TRUTH -is an infinity relative thing to him. I guess he knows nothing of the old addage, "The truth is the truth ,is the truth.""
The way we view the life of a person is relative to our respective upbringings, as is the way we assign importance to a person's actions. The only matters of truth are the facts involving Fischer's life. We have, as of yet, not had any disagreement on the facts. Therefore, we are both aware of the objective truth. The rest is opinion and I'm sure you realize that opinion is relative.
"I still contend that not only was he extremely rude with his remarks but he was grossly wrong also."
Fair enough. That is your right.
"Silentfilmstar, "if" you really want a fair analysis do the research yourself, nothing better than learning by making your own effort!
I will not hold my breath though.-SIX"
You already know where I stand. I wasn't asking you to do any work for me. I was just wondering how, without overplaying the importance of chess in the man's life, one could actually still view him as a good person. We differ in opinion, and I'm fine with that. Why can't you be?
OK, Silentfimstar I can be. Do not think that I totally rejected your view. I did understand how bad those hatefilled comments Fischer made were. I just weighed them against the other aspects of his life and came to a very different conclusion than you.
Fair enough.
Have a nice day.-SIX
I'm sorry I came across so callous and intent. I tend to get heated in discussions. I should have posted my opinions more delicately to begin with. Happy chessing.
Feb 3, 2008
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Reb wrote: silentfilmstar13 wrote: The things that happen to shape a person are reasons for a person turning out the way he does. They are NOT excuses. Many rapists are the way they are because of past abuse. Will you let them near your children? No. Why? Because they are horrible people. For those of you who dismiss his occasional bigotry, fine. You have your priorities in what makes a valuable person. I may be a bit biased because many of my family members were slaughtered in Nazi Germany because they were Jews. Defend this vile human being if you wish. Idolize him because he could move pieces of wood in stunning fashion. Ignore the sick, twisted person he became. Look back at his interviews before the bigotry. He was always a cocky, uneducated, brat. Other than his excellent chess play, I find no redeeming qualities in him. I'm sorry, but chess is not enough.
WTF??! Are you completely crazy?! Now you compare Fischer to rapists and nazis?! Fischer said some nasty things BIG DEAL !! I challenge you to name one single person he ever physically harmed?! You compare him to people who actually do physical harm to others and he has harmed none. So he hurt your itty bitty feelings?! SO WHAT????? Whats clear to see is that you are one nasty piece of work, everyone pretty much agrees Fischer was a paranoid schizophrenic, WHATS YOUR EXCUSE?
Listen, not that I want to get into this battle but he has a right to say what he says. If you are going to stick up for a man that is clearly insane, don't turn around and argue with someone for their honest and "sane" opinion. Fischer was a sick person. He was EXCITED when 9/11 happened... He HATED jews with a passion. As much of a genius as everyone thinks he was, why couldn't he comprehend that there were thousands of innocent people that died during 9/11? Why couldn't he realize that the ones that screwed him weren't the innocent people he had rants about? So what, silent doesn't like fischer as a person. He comes no where close to what Fischer has done, Fischer didn't hate one being, he hated the world. For no reason but pure insanity.
I don't feel the same way as silent, I don't wish the worst on Fischer, but I don't look down on others for saying anything about him. Fischer did make his own bed. He might have been insane, he might have had help becoming the person he was, but he still made his own choices, and they were not good ones. He was most definitly not a respectable character.
Do you want me to tell you who he "mentally" harmed. All the family's with brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, fathers, or mothers that have died during the course of 9/11 and the war following. He has damned the United States and all of it's citezens. Good for him.
Again, I am sorry for getting involved. I just understand where everyone comes from when speaking about Fischer. I am not for or against fischer, but I do understand things. Before you argue and say people should understand how Fischer became who he was, start to understand why people feel the way they do about him.
dalmatinac wrote: Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player of all times.He is idol to many young players,talented,beginners,masters...Many people started play chess because of him.Because of him chess became much more popular.Because of him Masters can live from chess,because of him prizes are much bigger.He played his match with Spassky in Serbia but USA didn't allowed to play that match because of sanctions to Serbia.Because Serbia did genocide in Croatia and in Bosnia and he must run away and never come back again to USA.Many players said that he really didn't know what was happening in that time in Croatia and in Bosnia.American's goverment and all there politicians are very bad and dangerous for world.USA could stop wars on Balkan in 2 days but USA didn't do nothing.Why? Because USA wanted destroyed Yugoslavia.USA always wanted be No.1 .USA didn't appreciate Bobby and everything what he did for USA.I agree with Bobby when he said that USA deserved attack on 09/11.It is sad and horrible because of many killed victims but destroyed twins it was OK.Unfortunly USA didn't understand lecture.What USA done in Vietnam? Horrible,monstrums things and killing.Where are that criminals? Never exist in USA judicial tribunal for that criminals and crims what they done.When that monstrums came back to USA they became heros...it is so sad.That people afther came back to home were walking and still walking free in USA.Remember USA's isolation politica from past...USA even don't have own history.USA was 200 years magnet of Europe.USA should come down on earth.Of course that we are living in bad times when powerest country killing people for oil and people in Africa are dying.For USA and for world would be great if Hillary become new president.
I agree with you
Silent, they do say "what goes around comes around", maybe someone, somewhere, one day in the future, will write the same above statement about you when you pop your clogs. Except for the last part about you sparking interest in chess!
Well, I don't much mind. I plan to live based on my own moral standard. Anyone who disagrees with my actions has every right to do so. I'd rather they be honest when I'm gone than hold to a ridiculous tradition of putting the blinders on. Much the same, I don't think Fischer would care what the son of a Jew says about him.