French defence 3.Nd2

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Hello people!! Do you have nice ideas against 3.Nd2 ? lets talk about this (sorry for my English grin.png)

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BobbyTalparov написал:

The best way to deal with 3. Nd2 (the Tarrasch variation) is to not play 1. .. e6.

Why you think so?

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BobbyTalparov написал:
Jake-Green01 wrote:
BobbyTalparov написал:

The best way to deal with 3. Nd2 (the Tarrasch variation) is to not play 1. .. e6.

Why you think so?

The French Defense does not challenge white and no matter how you respond to 3. Nd2 (e.g. Nf6, c5 being the most popular choices) white's game plan is very simple and easy to play (it almost plays itself) while black is both cramped, behind in development, and has a bad bishop that makes completing development difficult.

Im agree with you, but black instead of it press the d4 pawn 

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GWTR написал:

1.e4e62.d4d53.♘d2c54.exd5♕xd55.dxc5♘f66.♘gf3♕xc57.♗d3♗e78.O-OO-O9.♕e2♘bd710.♘e4♕c711.♗g5b612.♘xf6+♘xf613.♗xf6♗xf6

 

1.e4e62.d4d53.♘d2c54.exd5♕xd55.♘gf3cxd46.♗c4♕d67.O-O♘f68.♘b3♘c69.♘bxd4♘xd410.♘xd4a6

 

1.e4e62.d4d53.♘d2c54.♗d3♘f65.e5♘fd76.c3♘c67.♘e2♕b68.♘f3cxd49.cxd4f610.exf6♘xf611.O-O♗d612.b3O-O13.♗b2♗d714.♖c1♖ae8

Is it safe to take d5 pawn with queen?

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7

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Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7

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lol sorry internet slow

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FastLikeAJet написал:

Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

I dont think so

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BobbyTalparov написал:
FastLikeAJet wrote:

Plz don't be a fool.French Nd2 always lose to 3.Nd2 Be7.

Always lose?  You must be looking at a different database:

 

 

White has a very strong winning percentage in every line.  And backing it up to move 3:

 

White still has a very strong winning percentage in the playable lines.

Dont lo

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Dont advert too much on percentage, sometimes level of players decides

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after Be7 black will play c5 then nc6.If you want some serious line play the f5 move.Be7 is really good

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The way Be7 is different than other line.Mostly white didn't know much how to play against it and you can crush white with it.

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DeirdreSkye написал:

 

Just study the good French defense players.Most of them prefer 3...c5(korchnoi , Vaganian , Psakhis , etc.)Uhlman has played both 3...c5 and 3...Nf6 , Vaganian has used 3...Nc6(as a surprise weapon)  and Morozevich  3...Be7 with very good results.

     Watson in the book Dangerous weapons says that even 3...h6 is playable(and some recent articles in another site rather agree with that).

     I can send you a very good book in pdf form if you want that will answer all your questions.

   

Ok, if you have, send me please, its ok on pdf ( how youll send me this, do you need my gmail?)

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BobbyTalparov написал:
mickynj wrote:

I can't say that either my experience or master practice back up your assertion. Black is generally doing fine in the Tarrasch. So fine, in fact, that 7.Ne2 has begun to lose ground to 7.Ngf3.  BTW, in the final position, Black may have two pieces hanging, but he is currently a piece up! In the end, it's a matter of taste, but I'm quite happy with black here

Yes, but it is white to move and he has his choice:  recapture the piece (keeping the king safety largely in tact) or go up an exchange (where black can recover a pawn for the exchange).

 

The line in the Tarrasch (shown in the game below by Lawrence Trent) is very similar to lines played by Korchnoi in the 60's and 70's (he often got to it from a 1. d4 transposition).

 

The interesting thing about the game:  If you plug it into a computer engine, it will not find the sacrifice for quite a while, but as soon as it is played, the game swings from "slight advantage to white" to "white is winning".

I see that you dont like French defence, so , which opening do you prefer?

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