JamieDelarosa wrote:
I have a blog about Soviet collusion in the championship tournaments
http://www.chess.com/blog/JamieDelarosa/did-the-soviets-collude-a-statistical-analysis-of-championship-chess-1940-64
You one the most inform chess player, you are like batgirl historically accurated and interesting to reading too.
i was looking for someone to compare geller to karpov with the be2 positional style. maybe suggest fischer may have lost to karpov because karpov had an end-game oriented style. (in his geller's be2 najdorf he would place the knight on d5 and exchange it to get a queenside majority and push it for the win. thats how he beat fischer, karpov also played this way except for the queenside majority part, just pressure and grinding, also as a note, if there was a boleslavsky wall structure, karpov would never lose, that is why kasparov switched to the sheviningan structure). i think ive gotten enought information though, thanks.
Geller (W) outplayed Fischer at Curacao, Round 2, 1962
Fischer (W) tried too hard to win at Curfacao, Round 9, 1962
Geller (W) outplayed Fischer at Havana, Round 17, 1965 (Fischer was playing by Telex)
Fischer (W) was careless at Monaco, Round 9, 1967 (Fischer had already won the tournament)
Fischer (W) was careless at Skopje, Round 2, 1967 (Fischer claims a win by force in My 60 Memorable Games; however other annotators suggest there was only a draw available)
The characterizations "outplayed", "careless", and "tried too hard" are those of GM Edmar Mednis.
I'm not ?....oh. I know you won't allow me to comment on any of your threads.
Anyway, I will look for you at 10 minutes....altho' your little green donut hasn't shown up on my screen for a long long time.
Aloha....L
With regards Gellers victories, taking nothing from Geller, who was one of the strongest players in world chess history and along w/ Keres and Korchnoi and Leonid Stein, certainly one of the strongest players never to win a World title, Bobby hadnt "matured" yet, its really that simple, taking nothing from TAL or GELLER, both of whom's accomplishments speak for themselves. I would also hasten to add that like Boxing, "STYLES MAKE FIGHTS" in chess !
However by the year 1970 Bobby was in a ZONE, and even Spasski who had played the most elegant and creative chess in the entire world for the previous decade, even that mighty Titan was out of his depth. I would also think its fair to say that Fischers antics unsettled Boris, but to truly appreciate Fischer is to understand how deep the chess world was at the time he made that run to the world title. For Fischer to win that many games, not even allowing 'draws" was tantamount to a Baseball pitcher pitching 3 no hitters in a row!
I love GELLER, his innovations on both sides of the board are therefor all to see and his handling of the Sicilian defense w/ both 'white and Black" are a revelation all these years after his passing. Do yourselves a favor and check his games out. The Russian players were like the Renaissance painters, they were THAT creative, all endowed with distinctly recognizable styles. They set the bar, especially Geller, though he rarely gets the credit he deserves
They say that a person named Garcia Palermo has a positive record against BF. He was winning him back in 1970 when B was at the height of his game.
....15 moves nonthemore.
BF never could beat him !
Carlos still crushed him w/ ease & made a joke outta his play....a supermini ?....pleez.
It kinda put a screeching halt to that simul tour promotion, now didn't it ?
So i noticed on chessgames.com that fischer was negative against tal and geller. i just want to know why. was he bad? Not creative? or too good?
Fischer was only 16 years old when he suffered his losses to Tal. As Fischer aged and gained more experience, he surpassed Tal. They played again a few years later and Fischer won both games.
Geller was a strong, underrated player who scored well against many world champions in tournament play. Though match-play is a bit different, and no doubt Fischer would've outscored him in a head-to-head match.
Fischer was overrated. Clearly, Tal was better.
particularly if you ignore every rating list and every statistical method of evaluation and just make random assertions
Aren't you making a random assertion about me? 
Carlos Garcia-Palermo played BF on Thursday morning August 20, 1970. CGP had the disadvantageous black pieces against the #1 in the World.
He delivered a crushing move to BF w/ 12...Ne4 !!....an absolutely brillant Bolt from the Blue ! They say it temporarily buckled B at the knees just as his pupils were dilating to glassy marbles.
Some say 12....Ne4 !! was the greatest move ever played against B....one he would never forget. Could you imagine the humility delivered ?....& by a 16 year old nonetheless ?
That would be the last day B would ever again give a simul. That one move retired B from public chess.
Instantly, young Carlos became the treasured prize of Argentina & the proud owner of a + record against the best player in the world at the time.
Here, B is about to play 11. h3
....one move before the CGP's fate-filled 12...Ne4 !!
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first of all bobby was only 15 years old when he played TAL in 1958. Fischer just came to Russia in apr of 1958 an was only 15 years old. TAL beat him 4 strait and two draws. but when fischer turned 16 tal Never beat him again. bobby won 4 strait 2-0 in blitz versus Tal. Bobby was much better as he got older. bobby was Better than tal as i just proved.
tal also was a crazy chain smoker and was definitely way out of his prime.
The answer with Tal is quite simple: In 1959, Tal was the strongest player in the world, on the way to defeating Botvinnik for the world championship, while Fischer was an incredibly talented young player, but with very limited experience at the top level. Tal won all 4 of their games in the Candidates Tournament. For the rest of his life, he never won another game against Fischer, going 1.5-3.5 on classical games and 0-2 in Blitz.
Geller seemed to have a psychological edge against Fischer. He radiated an intense hatred towards Fischer that seemed to intimidate the younger Bobby. It's worth noting that Geller also enjoyed a lifetime plus score against Mikhail Botvinnik
Of course Tal and Geller were also great players, That helped!
Oh, but the rematch he had with Fischer was after his rematch with Botvinnik.
nice responses, thanks for info on the najdorf with be2, etc. btw i wasnt trolling, i wanted you guys to give me answers, specific answers. because geller has been a mystery to me, and i did not know that fischer played tal when tal was at his peak. it was a differant system back then i guess, no super-tournaments.