GMs/IMs who started late?

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Conflagration_Planet
Mijin wrote:
mephistoWaltzz wrote:
The only thing stopping adults is the responsiblities of work and family.

That line gets trotted out a lot, for many sports / skills, but it's BS.

There are plenty of adults that work hours the same or less than the school + homework equivalent. And some people are wealthy enough that they could just devote themselves to a skill for six months, a year or even indefinitely.
Certainly enough time for it to be clear whether they have any practical chance of ever becoming a GM. Which they won't.

There's no end of people that hit 25 and decide they'd much rather be a concert pianist than do whatever crappy job they're doing. But, unless you've had lessons from a pre-teen age, that door is closed. You need to pick an instrument or skill where you won't be competing against people who've practiced all their lives.


 Not to mention that they probably wouldn't have had the necessary talent even if they HAD started young. Most people who start playing the piano or chess as kids never make it to that level either. So you have to start young, AND have the talent.

geordie_derraugh

I tend to side with the brain plasticity argument for starting young. I think work & other adult responsibilities do contribute, but they can't fully account for the difficulty late starters face by any means.

However, I also believe that anything is possible and that talent can still manifest itself later in life. Adults have some advantages that most kids don't, such as discipline, a better developed sense of logic, more money, etc. Not to mention the adult brain is still quite plastic.

I realize there are more attainable goals for players starting late, and I'd be more inclined to encourage those goals, but the players mentioned so far seem to show that it is POSSIBLE to improve quickly at almost any age.

jineryodan

if someone has 26 years old , it's possible too or not ? i mean to become a good player or IM ?

CloJ

Chris Mabe started late and became a good player : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5DNGqfEq-g

DanielGuel

Silman and Ashley were 16 I think?

jedikush

Anyone can reach 2200. It’s about how much time you spend practicing studying and playing.  Your skill level will rise with your passion for the game. 

GM_ArjunKathait

This is me, Arjun from India, 20 years old. I will become a GM and all those players who think they can't are losers in my eyes. Watch me beat Nakamura after 3 years of dedication. Mark my words. I will be GM one day.

Laskersnephew
Wonder how many of the people who write "Anyone can reach 2200," are rated 2200 or more
KingSonicTheChessHedgehog

YUP

 

blueemu
GM_ArjunKathait wrote:

This is me, Arjun from India, 20 years old. I will become a GM and all those players who think they can't are losers in my eyes. Watch me beat Nakamura after 3 years of dedication. Mark my words. I will be GM one day.

You play nothing but blitz and bullet. You'll be lucky to improve by 100 points per year, doing that.

Marklb
If you have an aptitude and you dedicate the time, you can master anything, Doesn’t matter when you start.
Laskersnephew

Any late-blooming Physicists, Mathematicians, violin virtuosos you'd like to cite   

autobunny
blueemu wrote:
GM_ArjunKathait wrote:

This is me, Arjun from India, 20 years old. I will become a GM and all those players who think they can't are losers in my eyes. Watch me beat Nakamura after 3 years of dedication. Mark my words. I will be GM one day.

You play nothing but blitz and bullet. You'll be lucky to improve by 100 points per year, doing that.

He already looks like a GM so he has that going for him.

autobunny
Laskersnephew wrote:

Any late-blooming Physicists, Mathematicians, violin virtuosos you'd like to cite   

The bunny mastered tictactoe very late in life. 

GM_ArjunKathait
autobunny wrote:
blueemu wrote:
GM_ArjunKathait wrote:

This is me, Arjun from India, 20 years old. I will become a GM and all those players who think they can't are losers in my eyes. Watch me beat Nakamura after 3 years of dedication. Mark my words. I will be GM one day.

You play nothing but blitz and bullet. You'll be lucky to improve by 100 points per year, doing that.

He already looks like a GM so he has that going for him.

 

Well, follow on twitter.

 

Laskersnephew
melvinbluestone wrote:

   Ben Finegold was 40 when he became a grandmaster. My guess is he's spent a lot of eating, so that may have slowed down his progress.........

Not the best example of someone starting late! Ben Finegold, was playing in tournaments as a 10-year old, became  a USCF master at 14, and an IM at age 20. It took him a long time to achieve that last GM norm, but his FIDE rating was in the GM range for quite a few years before he got the GM title

VLaurenT
geordie_derraugh wrote:

Anyone know of any GMs or IMs who learned chess (or started taking it seriously) as an adult? Say, after age 20? This isn't for my own benefit, as I took up chess around age 11. But I've started coaching some beginner adult players and I want to know if it's possible. To give them hope.

 

There are no documented case, at least of the "regular" titles. Maybe some veteran, zonal or honorary titles are possible.

BL4D3RUNN3R

People who became XM "aged" had been (X-1)M their whole life before. 

Dream on. If you start late you won't become top seed.

WalangAlam

FIDE should just create a title AGM Aspiring Grandmaster and put the rating next to it.

blueemu

A GMWB! (wanna-be)