Hanging all pieces hoping to cause stalemate

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I just played a game where the opponent kept hanging their pieces, when i asked them about it, they said they were trying to cause a stalemate. I checkmated them quickly afterwards, despite sloppy play from my side. My question is, is it actually useful practice to purposefully hang your pieces until your king is left, then play for stalemate? I'm thinking that it's not a very good idea if your opponent is up several pieces and is actively trying to checkmate you (instead of just taking all pieces then trying to checkmate a lone king). I understand that many players try to do this before looking for a checkmate, as a way of simplifying their attack, but if you are several pieces up (like 33 pawns in my case), there will eventually be a check in any position...

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At least you saw the hanging pieces and did not fall for the stalemate...

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ldcn wrote:

I just played a game where the opponent kept hanging their pieces, when i asked them about it, they said they were trying to cause a stalemate. I checkmated them quickly afterwards, despite sloppy play from my side. My question is, is it actually useful practice to purposefully hang your pieces until your king is left, then play for stalemate? I'm thinking that it's not a very good idea if your opponent is up several pieces and is actively trying to checkmate you (instead of just taking all pieces then trying to checkmate a lone king). I understand that many players try to do this before looking for a checkmate, as a way of simplifying their attack, but if you are several pieces up (like 33 pawns in my case), there will eventually be a check in any position...

Well yes, playing for stalemate is something that even grandmasters do, but in a more subtle way. When they're completely lost, they trade untill they have about 1 piece, and then wait for the right time to sacrifice it and force stalemate. To just hang pieces is a little bit of a giveaway though. Might work at amateur level.

 

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Re: "My question is, is it actually useful practice to purposefully hang your pieces until your king is left, then play for stalemate?"

Certainly not. What would one learn from that?

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Sred he means if you're completely lost, like down a queen and a rook lost, and you want to save the extra half point.

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Just a nonsense from your opponent, I can only imagine he was drunk, goofing around or sandbagging. The only time it is feasible to play for stalemate is late in the game, when you consider all winning chances gone and indeed would be delighted with a draw, and if you see a potential situation where it could arise (eg. your king is cornered and has no moves). 

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KingSideInvasion wrote:

Sred he means if you're completely lost, like down a queen and a rook lost, and you want to save the extra half point.

Yes, I still don't consider it useful practice.

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You're both 600, isn't that what you do all day anyway?

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Oh and BTW it's called swindling, where you trick your opponent into letting you draw a lost position.

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I love swindling!

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ldcn wrote:

 My question is, is it actually useful practice to purposefully hang your pieces until your king is left, then play for stalemate?

Well if your losing against a weaker opponent then yes...

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Haha! He has 9 different ways to mate but he takes the pawn...

Imagine that happened in a WC match...

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It's a reasonable tactic that many 1800 player I've played against have fallen for

 

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JamesAgadir wrote:

It's a reasonable tactic that many 1800 player I've played against have fallen for

 

s/tactic/strategy

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I'm going to assume it's just someone who got an idea and decided to try it out, eventually realizing that it doesn't really work in the long run. Just like people who play 2. Qh5 assuming that people will fall for it (I've played against people who play 2. Qh5 and resign after 2...Nc6 because they can't be bothered to continue). 

I'm sure this happens a lot less with higher rated players. Correct me if I'm wrong. tongue.png