He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
I think it shows that Nieman is a legitimate GM. I don't think he is another Fischer but he seems almost obsessed as Fischer. Levy points out his strong positional play.
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
I think it shows that Nieman is a legitimate GM. I don't think he is another Fischer but he seems almost obsessed as Fischer. Levy points out his strong positional play.
Sure, I think he's GM level, and I think chess.com treated him in a less-than-ideal (but not criminal) manner.
Are there time delays in the broadcast of the games? And are there spectators allowed? If not, he either can play well without cheating, has an accomplice in the room that is not a spectator, can transmit information to an accomplice, or cheat without an accomplice.
Yes, if you are a religious nuthead witchhunter. Hans will be in eternal hell.
However, if you are a rational reasonable person, you will realize he cheated as a kid. That doesn't mean he is cheating in these current wins.
His reply did not insinuate he is cheating now. He stated that because of cheating in the past, he has a label on him.
Yes it did. If a kid stole candy, at some point we stop worrying about it.
Unless you have proof he cheated against Carlsen, and or is still cheating. He is being labeled for his past.
Still not tired of this repetitive, irresolvable argument, eh?
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
And they're not cheaters. So there's that.
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
I think it shows that Nieman is a legitimate GM. I don't think he is another Fischer but he seems almost obsessed as Fischer. Levy points out his strong positional play.
Sure, I think he's GM level, and I think chess.com treated him in a less-than-ideal (but not criminal) manner.
I actually think that Chess.com was very generous to Hans Niemann, considering he cheated over 100+ times.
I state this as personal opinion, not decided fact, but there are a few bits of circumstantial evidence he cheated OTB I personally find pretty compelling.
1) Yosha Iglesias showing he had no fewer than 10 games with perfect correspondence to engine moves (some games more than 40 moves long) when not a singe other player has had even one of any length.
*(Some people miss the real point here and conflate matching the engine with strength of play or perfect play and say that just proves he's playing super strong. But the real issues are engines aren't actually perfect and don't always agree with each other either. If you play just like a particular engine, say Stockfish, every single move of a 40 move game, that probably means your getting all your moves from Stockfish)
2) The collapse of his play back to a level when anti cheating measures are in force -- e.g., US Chess Championship 2022 where he finished -1.
3) His seeming inability to explain his own play in certain interviews and then his petulant "my chess speaks for itself" response when called.
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
I think it shows that Nieman is a legitimate GM. I don't think he is another Fischer but he seems almost obsessed as Fischer. Levy points out his strong positional play.
Sure, I think he's GM level, and I think chess.com treated him in a less-than-ideal (but not criminal) manner.
I actually think that Chess.com was very generous to Hans Niemann, considering he cheated over 100+ times.
You mean cheated on a single account?
Tons of titled players have done that. None were kicked out of tournaments for beating the world champion years later. Remember chess.com's own report confirmed Hans kept his promise and hadn't cheated in the last 2 years.
His account is still open @hansontwitch
chess.com: We've taken emergency action, suspending Hans until further review!
random: Why?
chess.com: He beat Carlsen, and Carlsen was mad. Also his rating has been going up a lot.
[weeks pass]
random: When will your review be done?
chess.com: We're all finished!
random: And... what did you find?
chess.com: He's a BIG TIME cheater, we definitely made a good call.
random: So it turns out he cheated in that game against Carlsen?
chess.com: No, we and all the other experts agree he didn't cheat in THAT game.
random: So he cheated in that tournament then, or in other OTB tournaments.
chess.com: No, the experts agree he probably hasn't cheated OTB at all.
random: So it was only online. He cheated on the account you did the emergency suspension on.
chess.com: No, his online account was clean too.
random: What the hell, then why do you call him a big time cheater? Why is his account still suspended?
chess.com: He cheated on his old account.
random: What do you mean old account? He has multiple accounts?
chess.com: No, this account was closed years ago.
random: And... you didn't know until now that he cheated on it.
chess.com: No, we knew that. In fact we're the ones who closed it... for cheating.
random: So your investigation found... he didn't cheat against Carlsen, or OTB at all, or on his online account. You found cheating... on an account you already closed for cheating years ago. So you found... nothing.
chess.com: Technically speaking it's something.
random: So if his current account and OTB is clean, why is his current account still suspended?
chess.com: Oh, well, we think it's very important that he admit he cheated on his old account.
random: Didn't he already admit to that when you closed it?
chess.com: Yes, but now we want him to admit it publicly.
random: Didn't he already do that in the Sinquefield Cup interviews?
chess.com: Yes, but we want him to publicly admit to the cheating we found recently.
random: Pretty sure he tacitly admitted that when you closed the old account in the first place... Do you typically require people admit they cheated publicly?
chess.com: No.
random: So only when you find evidence of new cheating?
chess.com: No, just Hans, no one else.
random: So you want him to admit he cheated over 2 years ago on an account he both publicly and privately admitted to cheating on, even though this has nothing to do with his OTB game with Carlsen or any of his OTB play, or any of his online play in the last 2 years. All of this in spite of the fact that your own investigation found nothing but redundant cheating, and when you ask him to admit to this redundant cheating it isn't policy, you're only demanding this of him and no one else.
chess.com: Well... look, he wasn't one hundred thousand percent honest. it's about the principle of the thing.
random: So that years-old cheating he did is important, it speaks to his character, and the world should know the truth.
chess.com: Yes, exactly.
random: And yet, this is the same cheating that you hid from the world, and even forgave, letting Hans come back to your site and play the last 2 years? Seems you're not worried about principle at all.
chess.com: Well... but by saying we closed his account and hurt his career for no reason it made us look bad! We could lose money!
random: So your investigation found nothing relevant, but you want him to admit to this completely redundant cheating... out of spite?
chess.com: . . .
random: In the end doesn't that just prove Hans correct, that your actions lack merit and you're hurting his career for no real reason?
chess.com: Wait, it wasn't "no reason" -- we published 72 pages about him!
random: What does that have to do with--
chess.com: SEVENTY. TWO. PAGES. That's a lot
random: . . .
chess.com: With that many pages he must be a scumbag right? There are so many suspicious things about Hans! It wasn't for "no reason" he's extremely suspicious... we're the good guys here.
random: He's a super suspicious scumbag, but you'd unlock his account today if he publicly shamed himself in the way you're demanding.
chess.com: Well... yes.
random: Seems to me that's just more evidence it's not about cheating, it's about your hurt ego. If he were that suspicious you'd kick him off the site for good.
chess.com: Ok so he didn't cheat, it's not about principle, and we're not even suspicious of him, but no one will pay enough attention to realize this, and in all likelihood we're not criminally liable, so why should we care? He pissed us off, so fk him.
random: At least you admit it.
He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
It's not impossible, but there are more impressive stats out there.
Firouzja is 19 and #4 in the world.
Gukesh is 16 and #24 in the world.
I think it shows that Nieman is a legitimate GM. I don't think he is another Fischer but he seems almost obsessed as Fischer. Levy points out his strong positional play.
The fact is, there never was enough evidence to prove Niemann as a cheater. Just because Magnus Carlsen and chess.com think that Niemann might be cheating, no one else should believe this unless there is adequate concrete evidence.
...Hans beats Magnus and is proven to have NOT cheated in that game and he is banned from the site...
So what's the proof there?
...Hans beats Magnus and is proven to have NOT cheated in that game and he is banned from the site...
So what's the proof there?
Cheat detection experts and casual GM-level observers and chess.com itself agree that his game against Carlsen was not suspicious. Additionally, Finegold points out that IF Hans were cheating OTB, that would be the LAST game he'd cheat in (a high profile game with black vs the world champion).
The suspicious aspects were things happening outside of the game, like his interviews and increase in rating.
...Hans beats Magnus and is proven to have NOT cheated in that game and he is banned from the site...
So what's the proof there?
Pretty much everything has pointed to he didn't cheat against Carlsen. We even have GM's saying nothing suspicious happened. Now if you or someone thinks he did then show the proof.
You said there is proof he didn't cheat. Saying people didn't notice anything isn't proof.
He is playing in the the 3rd El Llobregat Open and is 4-0. He is now ranked 35th in the world. At only 19 years old, he may very well become a contender for the world title.
https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-in-the-sole-lead-at-the-3rd-el-llobregat-open/