Hans Niemann latest performance

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SoupSailor
There’s a reason players of Niemann’s rating don’t play open tournaments. It’s suicide for your rating, and rating is important for getting invited to closed tournaments. Niemann knew that, but he had no choice as he wasn’t getting any invitations due to the cheating accusations. It’s better than not playing at all.

It’s also worth noting that Niemann’s rating actually climbed to 2710 even after the accusations due to a good tournament performance, before dropping to about 2660 or something like that.

It’s also difficult to play under the stress he’s been under.

Kshipra123
GBTGBA wrote:

Don’t act dumb @Elroch. Tell us how did you become #1 ranked daily chess player here ? Did you play very low rated people everyday like Hans had to?

He did not attain the #1 position through playing chess at all… He employed a questionable strategy: identifying highly-rated obvious cheaters, yet instead of immediately reporting them, he would initiate a game challenge. It was only once the game had started that he reported them, thereby harvesting and accumulating hundreds of free rating points and propelling himself to the number one position.

ironic indeed!

DiogenesDue
Kshipra123 wrote:

He did not attain the #1 position through playing chess at all… He employed a questionable strategy: identifying highly-rated obvious cheaters, yet instead of immediately reporting them, he would initiate a game challenge. It was only once the game had started that he reported them, thereby harvesting and accumulating hundreds of free rating points and propelling himself to the number one position.

ironic indeed!

I'm guessing you must ergo have been one of those high rated obvious cheaters using an old account? How else would you claim to know this supposed challenge history? Or maybe you are full of crap and casting aspersions without a leg to stand on?

Elroch
Kshipra123 wrote:
GBTGBA wrote:

Don’t act dumb @Elroch. Tell us how did you become #1 ranked daily chess player here ? Did you play very low rated people everyday like Hans had to?

He did not attain the #1 position through playing chess at all…

He employed a questionable strategy: identifying highly-rated obvious cheaters, yet instead of immediately reporting them, he would initiate a game challenge. It was only once the game had started that he reported them, thereby harvesting and accumulating hundreds of free rating points and propelling himself to the number one position.

ironic indeed!

If your reading skills were better you would know that not a single one of the games was a challenge. I think all the significant ones were national team match games. Also, the last two games that reached my peak rating were simply wins over the board - take a look at them. My opponent was a bit off form and defaulted the second prematurely after a quick loss in the other.

A key factor was that my RD was high at the time, making all wins have a larger effect on my rating. My rating is now lower (and more accurate, IMO) but would still be on the front page if I had completed a game in the last 90 days. My last two games were wins against an FM.

Kshipra123
DiogenesDue wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:

He did not attain the #1 position through playing chess at all… He employed a questionable strategy: identifying highly-rated obvious cheaters, yet instead of immediately reporting them, he would initiate a game challenge. It was only once the game had started that he reported them, thereby harvesting and accumulating hundreds of free rating points and propelling himself to the number one position.

ironic indeed!

I'm guessing you must ergo have been one of those high rated obvious cheaters using an old account? How else would you claim to know this supposed challenge history? Or maybe you are full of crap and casting aspersions without a leg to stand on?

shut up and do your own research.

DiogenesDue
Kshipra123 wrote:

shut up and do your own research.

I can't research your games, since you are using an alt account to post here. Wonder why that is?

Vertwitch
He doesn’t have to do that
Vertwitch
So many forum rules broken
Kshipra123
DiogenesDue wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:

shut up and do your own research.

I can't research your games, since you are using an alt account to post here. Wonder why that is?

I fear retaliation. isn’t that obvious?

DiogenesDue
Kshipra123 wrote:

I fear retaliation. isn’t that obvious?

A little craven and hypocritical to attack others and while making sure you cannot receive the same scrutiny, don't you think?

lfPatriotGames

I'm a little confused about the rating thing. If Hans is playing lower rated players, wouldn't it be likely his rating would increase because of more wins?

Elroch

As you know, the aim of the Elo rating system is that the expected rating change for any two players is zero when they play - for differences of any size. The rating points gained or lost are inverse to the expected score.

Some players might feel they can get nearer to 100% against weaker players than the Elo calculations suggest, others might expect to get less. I think for a top player, they need to play very strong players to stretch them enough to stay as strong. Niemann losing a game to someone with a rating 308 below him is quite a bad result - with this difference he would have an expected score of 85% made up mostly of wins with an occasional draw. But this was a classic example of a rising prodigy - 13 or 14 and heading for IM territory.

DreamscapeHorizons

Not over a long period of time &/or a lot of games. Lets assume a 2000 player spends a year playing in a small town where their average opponent is 1500 & they play a lot, maybe 100 games in that year. They're used to playing where there are a lot of players & they average 50% against an average of 2000. Now in the small town their win expectancy % might be 95% but it's almost impossible to maintain that % & they end up scoring 80% or 85% instead. Their rating will drop dramatically, especially if they play a lot.

Kshipra123
DiogenesDue wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:

I fear retaliation. isn’t that obvious?

A little craven and hypocritical to attack others and while making sure you cannot receive the same scrutiny, don't you think?

Certainly. I agree. yet I have a family to worry about. if you really care to research it yourself, look at his rise at july 2019.

DreamscapeHorizons

Also, take this into consideration. The young rapidly improving players didn't play in a lot of tournaments because of the covid situation but they kept improving during the same time. So these 2300 kids could've came back when tournaments resumed as much stronger players than their ratings showed. They didn't stop studying & training just because there were no live otb tournaments for a while. That has impacted the ratings. Hans is running into these little beasts in open tournaments whereas he wouldn't play them in closed higher level events that other 2700 players play in. Just an added thing to consider.

Elroch
Kshipra123 wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:

I fear retaliation. isn’t that obvious?

A little craven and hypocritical to attack others and while making sure you cannot receive the same scrutiny, don't you think?

Certainly. I agree. yet I have a family to worry about. if you really care to research it yourself, look at his rise at july 2019.

With all due respect, do you have some sort of mental problems? I explained that I didn't pick ANY of my opponents. Check the game details, if it's not beyond your capabilities.

Also you're off topic.

Elroch
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

Not over a long period of time &/or a lot of games. Lets assume a 2000 player spends a year playing in a small town where their average opponent is 1500 & they play a lot, maybe 100 games in that year. They're used to playing where there are a lot of players & they average 50% against an average of 2000. Now in the small town their win expectancy % might be 95% but it's almost impossible to maintain that % & they end up scoring 80% or 85% instead. Their rating will drop dramatically, especially if they play a lot.

Yes, this is the issue of needing to play strong opposition to maintain a high enough standard. But note that Niemann's rating only dropped from July, just after his optimistic $100 million dollar lawsuit had been dismissed. Before that he played in the US National Open and did well, I believe, but that was a quite strong tournament.

I feel now that peace has been generously made by chess.com and Carlsen, Niemann may find more opportunities.

Ziryab

Since playing Arena most days instead of open seeks, my win rate went up while my rating dropped about 150 on average. 80-90% of my opponents are lower rated. I win 70-80% of my games.

Kshipra123
Elroch wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Kshipra123 wrote:

I fear retaliation. isn’t that obvious?

A little craven and hypocritical to attack others and while making sure you cannot receive the same scrutiny, don't you think?

Certainly. I agree. yet I have a family to worry about. if you really care to research it yourself, look at his rise at july 2019.

With all due respect, do you have some sort of mental problems? I explained that I didn't pick ANY of my opponents. Check the game details, if it's not beyond your capabilities.

Also you're off topic.

I remember when you made it to be #1 without winning a single game. you can call me mental or extremely sensitive. something about you deeply scares me!

lfPatriotGames
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

Also, take this into consideration. The young rapidly improving players didn't play in a lot of tournaments because of the covid situation but they kept improving during the same time. So these 2300 kids could've came back when tournaments resumed as much stronger players than their ratings showed. They didn't stop studying & training just because there were no live otb tournaments for a while. That has impacted the ratings. Hans is running into these little beasts in open tournaments whereas he wouldn't play them in closed higher level events that other 2700 players play in. Just an added thing to consider.

But couldn't he improve also during that time? If other people could study and train, couldn't he as well?