yea I agree
Has Chess.com ever had a worse idea than Vacations?
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Mar 26, 2013
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#143
Why is it a problem? Because I don't like it.
I didn't say it was a problem for you. I believe I said "MY big problem"
So for you it is not a problem. For me it is. I think it is an abuse. We have different opinions. Mine just happens to be right and yours is wrong... 
I've never understood the argument that "if you have time to do other things eg. play live games, you have time to move in your online games".
"Online" aka Correspondence games, when played properly (I admit I play moves in mine like I'm playing blitz most of the time) should take A LOT of time to make even a single move. Sometimes you may wish to leave it for a day, let it mull over in the mind, and then come back to it the next day with some fresh ideas. It's not "make your move as soon as you can" type chess.
Going off on a tangent, I think the problem is that people expect things to be quicker and quicker nowadays (Myself included!). In the past, it would be usual for a correspondence game to take many months, even years. Now with the advent of the Internet, in the vast majority of cases it is much quicker: why complain that some people like to play at the old fashioned pace?
Given this, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to peruse the forums/play some casual blitz whilst their online games are waiting for moves, even to the point of using vacation time to do so. Abuse is one thing, use is another (like a German chap said earlier in the therad; I have no idea why some people reacted to that as a bizarre concept).
Mar 26, 2013
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#145
-waller- wrote:
I've never understood the argument that "if you have time to do other things eg. play live games, you have time to move in your online games".
"Online" aka Correspondence games, when played properly (I admit I play moves in mine like I'm playing blitz most of the time) should take A LOT of time to make even a single move. Sometimes you may wish to leave it for a day, let it mull over in the mind, and then come back to it the next day with some fresh ideas. It's not "make your move as soon as you can" type chess.
Going off on a tangent, I think the problem is that people expect things to be quicker and quicker nowadays (Myself included!). In the past, it would be usual for a correspondence game to take many months, even years. Now with the advent of the Internet, in the vast majority of cases it is much quicker: why complain that some people like to play at the old fashioned pace?
Given this, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to peruse the forums/play some casual blitz whilst their online games are waiting for moves, even to the point of using vacation time to do so. Abuse is one thing, use is another (like a German chap said earlier in the therad; I have no idea why some people reacted to that as a bizarre concept).
I have no problem playing correspondence games. I used to play postal correspondence chess (before we had this internet thingy on computers) and understand that they can take a long time. I have played games that have taken years to complete.
But I have a problem when a player (and this has happened before on this site) is playing over 150 games, goes on vacation (holding up a multitude of tournaments) then plays an average of 12 games a day of 5 - 15 minute live games.
I have no problem with use of vacation time. I have the problem with abuse.
I agree with RSVA =vacations can be abused for somethig other than what they are meant for=To pause when required
Rsava wrote:
My big problem (only problem really) is when someone uses vacation time (presumably because they are busy or away, completely understand that) but they continue to log in and post, play live games, etc.
If you've got time to play live games, make your moves in your online games.
Maybe if they are on vacation for their online games they are blocked from playing live games?
I am an Admin of several groups and have done just this for good reason. I needed to catch up on group activities and i was burned out from playing in a Speed Vote League at Chess.com. I played some live game to keep me fresh and relaxed. But my post were in Vote Chess games playing several games and not SVC(Speed Vote Chess).
I also did it when faced with an opening i was not famaliar with at all and several opponents were using it at the time. Glad i took it as i won more than 50% of those games. It gave me free time to research it.
Other than that i have only used Vacation for 1 Storm coming my way and fatique from having over 100 games ongoing over several months. In which case i would say do not have more than 40 active games active. Possible but not worth it.
paul1144, if you don't want to hear from me, stop tracking this topic.
But on the topic of your incessant whining, it seems that you enjoy calling other people names (eg. Canadians are biatches (I don't speak ebonics, or whatever the hell language you were using, so forgive the spelling if I got it wrong, I couldn't be bothered to go back and check it)) but you get a tad testy when the same courtesy is applied to you.
And to remind you where we are in this discussion, I am the one saying play by the rules you agreed to and stop the whining, and you are the whiner, so I have to say, no, I don't see myself in your insipid comment about Canadians. I was trying to nudge you gently back to topic.
Mar 26, 2013
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#149
MathBandit wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
cookiemonster161140 wrote:
I doubt chess.com is able to keep stats about so-called vacation abuse, because based on all the threads I have read over the years it's clear vacation abuse is defined by whatever the opponent wants it to be.
Vacation is reality.
Deal.
A pity. These are all simple fixes we have discussed here as well.
Solutions which make vacations much less abusable, and Chess.com much mure enjoyable for all.
I have yet to see a single change* suggested on this thread that would not have me seriously consider pulling the plug on my membership. Not a single person has actually come forward with a compromise; everyone has been focussed on arbitrarily taking away features that people pay for on this site, without giving anything back.
For instance: Vacation is measured (and spent) in weeks, not days. On the other hand, you get a full week every month rather than 2 days. I haven't thought that through at all, but at least it gives something to both sides.
*To the best of my recollection
Seriously??
You come off vacation, you must make 1 move in each of your games, to take vacation again.
You would drop chess.com like a bad habit over that? I'm being that selfish?
I've been pushing that solution for quite a while now, and as a blanket rule for both premium and basic (including the removal of the restriction that basic members cannot have a game in which it's their move). I think it's the biggest single change that could be made to address vacation abuse.
Mar 26, 2013
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#151
cookiemonster161140 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
cookiemonster161140 wrote:
I doubt chess.com is able to keep stats about so-called vacation abuse, because based on all the threads I have read over the years it's clear vacation abuse is defined by whatever the opponent wants it to be.
Vacation is reality.
Deal.
A pity. These are all simple fixes we have discussed here as well.
Solutions which make vacations much less abusable, and Chess.com much mure enjoyable for all.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think vacations are beautiful, important, appropriate, part of the rules and tradition of chess. There really is no such thing as vacation "abuse."
Vacation time is finite, just like the time on your clock. When your time runs out you lose. So what's the big deal? Isn't a player on vaction on vacation for all of their games (not just the ones they are losing)?
I would never try to control how my opponent uses their vacation "clock" just as I would never tolerate my opponent telling me how to use mine.
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Naturally, if it wasn't your move when you came off vacation, the game should be exempted from this requirement (even if it's your move when you're ready to go back on).
varelse1 wrote:
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Wow, that sure is abuse. I don't recall ever having someone abuse vacation this much to be honest (maybe I don't keep track enough). Hopefully this isn't a common occurrence? Although I agree, the 1 move in between vacation rules seems like a good idea.
Mar 26, 2013
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#154
TheGrobe wrote:
Naturally, if it wasn't your move when you came off vacation, the game should be exempted from this requirement (even if it's your move when you're ready to go back on).
Of course.
Mar 26, 2013
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#155
-waller- wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Wow, that sure is abuse. I don't recall ever having someone abuse vacation this much to be honest (maybe I don't keep track enough). Hopefully this isn't a common occurrence? Although I agree, the 1 move in between vacation rules seems like a good idea.
Good news being, he finally ran out of vacation days, and just resigned.
But still...
Mar 26, 2013
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#156
varelse1 wrote:
-waller- wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Wow, that sure is abuse. I don't recall ever having someone abuse vacation this much to be honest (maybe I don't keep track enough). Hopefully this isn't a common occurrence? Although I agree, the 1 move in between vacation rules seems like a good idea.
Good news being, he finally ran out of vacation days, and just resigned.
But still...
You don't have a single game that has ended in the last week that took more than 2 months from beginning to end. In fact, you only have a single game that ended recently to even have lasted the "45 days" you claim was wasted from your supposed 'vacation abuse'.
That game is in Round 1 of a tournament, and the round wasn't close to being held up by your game. Your entire point is moot, Sir. Have a nice day.
If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to respond to my lenghty analysis from a couple of pages ago showing that even 3 months of Vacation won't significantly hold up a tournament.
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Is this a Team Match or Tournament or other?
If a Team Match inform your SA or Admin and maybe post in comment section of the Team Match that your are waiting for your opponent to move.
If a Tournament the contact the Tournament Director.
Mar 26, 2013
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#158
royalbishop wrote:
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Is this a Team Match or Tournament or other?
If a Team Match inform your SA or Admin and maybe post in comment section of the Team Match that your are waiting for your opponent to move.
If a Tournament the contact the Tournament Director.
It was a tournament. I contacted them. And they made a note of it. Nothing else. So I thought I would get on the forums and rage-post a new thread about Vacations.
Mar 26, 2013
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#159
MathBandit wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
-waller- wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
My opponent just stretched 17 days of vacation over 45 days, without making a single move. Look up the word "abuse" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of his scoresheet right there.
That is what the word abuse means. There is no other way to define that word.
Wow, that sure is abuse. I don't recall ever having someone abuse vacation this much to be honest (maybe I don't keep track enough). Hopefully this isn't a common occurrence? Although I agree, the 1 move in between vacation rules seems like a good idea.
Good news being, he finally ran out of vacation days, and just resigned.
But still...
You don't have a single game that has ended in the last week that took more than 2 months from beginning to end. In fact, you only have a single game that ended recently to even have lasted the "45 days" you claim was wasted from your supposed 'vacation abuse'.
That game is in Round 1 of a tournament, and the round wasn't close to being held up by your game. Your entire point is moot, Sir. Have a nice day.
If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to respond to my lenghty analysis from a couple of pages ago showing that even 3 months of Vacation won't significantly hold up a tournament.
Which again brings us back to the origional question. Why does chess.dom allow 3 months of vacation (In a 3 days/move game.) to be stretched over 12 months, without a single move?
Also, I do not understand your arguement that a lack of vaction days on the part of my opponent, or else his lack of discipline, justifies a design flaw on the part of Chess.com. That doesn't make any sense.
Just because HE didn't manage to stretch it out that far without moving, does not mean the next troll won't.
Now i think with Tournaments we have a right to name names of players that slow up the tournament if we include the tournament where it occured at the moment. That way nobody can randomly make false claims due to losing or not making the next round and etc.
Even further their should be a list of these players that do this in tournaments. It should be visible to Tournament Directors or an Icon shows up so the TD can see it. At the same time an auto withdraw before a tournament starts if a frequent user of vacation joins. Also this gives players a chance to ask if a frequent user of vacation has joined without naming names. Then the option to leave the tournament is on the table if the TD does not remove them from it. Problem solved for everybody.
My big problem (only problem really) is when someone uses vacation time (presumably because they are busy or away, completely understand that) but they continue to log in and post, play live games, etc.
If you've got time to play live games, make your moves in your online games.
Maybe if they are on vacation for their online games they are blocked from playing live games?
I've done this. Why is it a problem? Would it make you feel better if I didn't post or play a quick blitz game in the interval?
The thing is, once I release vacation time, it becomes released for ALL my games, usually around 20. This is a big time commitment, and if I am on vacation somewhere or whatever, and suddenly have access or time for a few minutes, releasing all the games is stupid. But, playing a quick blitz, doing some tactics, or dashing off a post, yeah I can manage that.