Help me! I cannot stop losing and I'm trying to get back to 1800, but nothing works!

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My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

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I plateaued at 1800 for at least 9 months so I swapped it up by playing at least two rapid games a day with analysis, and doing something book related daily (reading 30 pages or 50 puzzles from Polgar's book). After a month or two of this I finally broke 1900. I have also watched some of Daniel Naroditsky's theory speedrun videos during my plateau, and Hanging pawns YouTube channel is fantastic for openings. Some books I liked are Simple Chess (short positional book) Silman's engame book, and Silman's Reasses your Chess. Also I made a second account to run through the ranks for fun, but now I use it to take pressure off games when I want to play ranked games. It might be better to not care about the numbers, but you could use the second account to not mess up the number fixated in the mind. My experience with unrated games is some of the ratings are fake because some play a small amount of ranked games then do unranked for the rest of time. The unranked games still help as well, but just keep in mind the ratings could be inflated a little bit. Also on bad chess days it could be best to just play 2, reflect on mistakes, and try again the next day. Kasparov said steady and consistent effort always pays off, even if not in an immediate, tangible way. Also like most works of art, most things have to be ugly before they turn into a masterpiece. You got this.

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I feel your pain

I actually recommend learning gambits or something fun you can grind rating but tilt eats you up

Also learn how to hang less peices (more accurately hang peices like a 2000 or something like that )

Playing other time controls is also super helpful playing a couple rapid and bullet games is always a good idea if your stuck

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Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

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Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

Well a couple rapid games can help but at 1600+ you can actually think at 3|0 the trick is learning how to play better chess

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Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

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Take a couple days off, then come back well rested.

It is not unusual to take a bit of a ratings hit, then return to a new high level.

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Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. It's better to be a realist about your ability. In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that. Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?

You probably had a lucky run by playing against some over-graded players and it gave you a false rating.

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Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. It's better to be a realist about your ability. In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that. Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?

He's not completely wrong actually what he meant is if you can reach 2500 than you can reach 2500 yes if you reach 2500 doesn't mean oul stay there he knows that besides he's better than you and has coached kids his entire life pretty much so I think he might know what he's talking about just cause you don't like him

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 Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. phycologicaly he got me to 1600-1800happy.png so I think he was helpful he caters more torwards beginners if you don't think he is helpful for beginners (he is) go watch hikaru gothchess has some of the best recaps and interviews out of all the creators as a plus It's better to be a realist about your ability.he knows his own ability I think your taking it out of context In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that.yes age effects you it doesn't effect some people but it effects others they talked about it in one of his interviews with kramnik  Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?no because you never reached 2280 like I can beat 2900s but does that mean im a 2900? 

You probably had a lucky run by playing against some over-graded players and it gave you a false rating.i don't think so I don't get that actually I get smurfs instead and alot people in fide is actually underrated

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

Well a couple rapid games can help but at 1600+ you can actually think at 3|0 the trick is learning how to play better chess

You're missing the point, which is you're playing badly but at 3 minutes, your opponents can't find the win. It means that you won't learn to play well and your ability at classical speeds or even rapid won't improve much. Play like that in a 20 minute game and you'll just lose because the opponent will have enough time. You shouldn't use ratings as arguments.

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. It's better to be a realist about your ability. In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that. Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?

He's not completely wrong actually what he meant is if you can reach 2500 than you can reach 2500 yes if you reach 2500 doesn't mean oul stay there he knows that besides he's better than you and has coached kids his entire life pretty much so I think he might know what he's talking about just cause you don't like him

At least that's what I interpreted

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
 Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. phycologicaly he got me to 1600-1800 so I think he was helpful he caters more torwards beginners if you don't think he is helpful for beginners (he is) go watch hikaru gothchess has some of the best recaps and interviews out of all the creators as a plus It's better to be a realist about your ability.he knows his own ability I think your taking it out of context In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that.yes age effects you it doesn't effect some people but it effects others they talked about it in one of his interviews with kramnik  Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?no because you never reached 2280 like I can beat 2900s but does that mean im a 2900? 

You probably had a lucky run by playing against some over-graded players and it gave you a false rating.i don't think so I don't get that actually I get smurfs instead and alot people in fide is actually underrated

You are a very, very confused person! happy.png

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Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

Well a couple rapid games can help but at 1600+ you can actually think at 3|0 the trick is learning how to play better chess

You're missing the point, which is you're playing badly but at 3 minutes, your opponents can't find the win. It means that you won't learn to play well and your ability at classical speeds or even rapid won't improve much. Play like that in a 20 minute game and you'll just lose because the opponent will have enough time. You shouldn't use ratings as arguments.

I don't use ratings as arguments ik how to play well

I actually play against all rating ranges but then again try to prove me wrong by actually playing me instead of yapping you can learn things from bad games

Basically either beat me or quit yappen basically

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Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
 Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Mogimogmeister wrote:

My highest rating was 1820, and after playing games, I have now dropped to 1700 and have been stuck there since November 2023, I have been playing and studying so much and I am losing very badly. I am having a very hard time earning points back and winning and nothing works at all. I need a lot of help getting this rating back!

I just took a look at your games. Best advice is to stop playing at blitz speeds, (10 minute) and play something like 20 minutes. Learn good principles. Don't throw away pieces for nothing. At the moment you are not yet an 1800 standard player.

But I still broke 1800, I learned from GothamChess and he said that if you reach a new rating, and you drop. You're the strength you were.

So if you reached 2500 your 2500 strength but you play like a 2300? And need to figure out how to win games

Then you shouldn't ever believe another word from Gotham Chess.

He's completely wrong, of course. Psychologically, I don't think he's even being helpful in any way. phycologicaly he got me to 1600-1800 so I think he was helpful he caters more torwards beginners if you don't think he is helpful for beginners (he is) go watch hikaru gothchess has some of the best recaps and interviews out of all the creators as a plus It's better to be a realist about your ability.he knows his own ability I think your taking it out of context In about 1995 I could hold my own with 2280 FIDE players in five minute blitz. Now, nearly 30 years later, at 73, I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that.yes age effects you it doesn't effect some people but it effects others they talked about it in one of his interviews with kramnik  Does that mean I'm really 2280 FIDE strength but don't play like it and I'd be lucky to hold my own with 2000 FIDES?? What is reality?no because you never reached 2280 like I can beat 2900s but does that mean im a 2900? 

You probably had a lucky run by playing against some over-graded players and it gave you a false rating.i don't think so I don't get that actually I get smurfs instead and alot people in fide is actually underrated

You are a very, very confused person!

You also don't know what your talking about and take things out of context !

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I just unblocked you and then I see this nonsense you're writing. I should probably not have done so! You really do not know what you're talking about.

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I just unblocked you and then I see this nonsense you're writing. I should probably not have done so! You really do not know what you're talking about.

Neither do you your not a coach if so you are not a very good one ...

If anything he gives advice more like hikaru

And yes I do typo and seams a bit nuts

Also to be clear I'm typing those argument in less than a minute I do not care

And I do not see the point of flexing beating 2000+ fida in rapid or otb chess I can to lmao

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I feel your pain

I actually recommend learning gambits or something fun you can grind rating but tilt eats you up

Also learn how to hang less peices (more accurately hang peices like a 2000 or something like that )

Playing other time controls is also super helpful playing a couple rapid and bullet games is always a good idea if your stuck

@Mogimogmeister actually I need to add something to this

Taking a nap or doing something to get your mind off tilt is super helpful if you are well rested after u don't need a full days break to get rid of tilt(some people do )

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

I feel your pain

I actually recommend learning gambits or something fun you can grind rating but tilt eats you up

Also learn how to hang less peices (more accurately hang peices like a 2000 or something like that )

Playing other time controls is also super helpful playing a couple rapid and bullet games is always a good idea if your stuck

@Mogimogmeister actually I need to add something to this

Taking a nap or doing something to get your mind off tilt is super helpful if you are well rested after u don't need a full days break to get rid of tilt(some people do )

Why do you need to tell someone that "you can grind rating but tilt eats you up", Diamond? It means that when you try hard and only play when you're feeling good, you can increase your rating but if you keep playing when you're playing badly, you will lose rating quickly. How difficult is it to work that out? Anyway, some people sometimes prefer to keep playing when they're playing badly.

I've an idea. You don't troll the posts I make and then I won't point out how daft you are.