This is straight up copied from r/chess: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/x7qvcz/hikaru_and_hansen_need_to_be_held_accountable/
Hikaru and Hansen need to be held accountable
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so if i suspect that a player is cheating, how much evidence is required before i can mention it? When nobody is allowed to say anything without being crucified, this is what happens. magnus had to do it in a way where he has plausible deniability because the general population has collectively lost their minds with trying to prove how each individual is the most morally just person in the world and would never offend anyone. look, hans is suspicious. his match against nepo in the rcc has enough circumstantial evidence to make most level headed people curious. lets all calm down and allow the best player in chess history to speak his mind on why he thinks this particular guy is cheating without calling for his head.
Sep 10, 2022
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plophet wrote:
so if i suspect that a player is cheating, how much evidence is required before i can mention it? When nobody is allowed to say anything without being crucified, this is what happens. magnus had to do it in a way where he has plausible deniability because the general population has collectively lost their minds with trying to prove how each individual is the most morally just person in the world and would never offend anyone. look, hans is suspicious. his match against nepo in the rcc has enough circumstantial evidence to make most level headed people curious. lets all calm down and allow the best player in chess history to speak his mind on why he thinks this particular guy is cheating without calling for his head.
That's the problem --- Magnus has not clarified anything after sending out a lame tweet that ignited this whole online sh*tstorm. Either say, "I believe he is cheating, here's how ... " or say nothing at all. Putting out a lame-a$$ cryptic tweet that one knows is going to create controversy, without any clarification, and then sitting back silently while people rip on Hans is both irresponsible and cowardly. Magnus is 30-plus years old, considered by many the greatest player of all time, and is acting just as childishly as a teenage kid cheating in online chess. A little more class and tactful restraint isn't too much to ask from the world champion. Can anyone imagine Vishy Anand behaving like Magnus in this situation? Neither can I.
EBowie wrote:
plophet wrote:
so if i suspect that a player is cheating, how much evidence is required before i can mention it? When nobody is allowed to say anything without being crucified, this is what happens. magnus had to do it in a way where he has plausible deniability because the general population has collectively lost their minds with trying to prove how each individual is the most morally just person in the world and would never offend anyone. look, hans is suspicious. his match against nepo in the rcc has enough circumstantial evidence to make most level headed people curious. lets all calm down and allow the best player in chess history to speak his mind on why he thinks this particular guy is cheating without calling for his head.
That's the problem --- Magnus has not clarified anything after sending out a lame tweet that ignited this whole online sh*tstorm. Either say, "I believe he is cheating, here's how ... " or say nothing at all. Putting out a lame-a$$ cryptic tweet that one knows is going to create controversy, without any clarification, and then sitting back silently while people rip on Hans is both irresponsible and cowardly. Magnus is 30-plus years old, considered by many the greatest player of all time, and is acting just as childishly as a teenage kid cheating in online chess. A little more class and tactful restraint isn't too much to ask from the world champion. Can anyone imagine Vishy Anand behaving like Magnus in this situation? Neither can I.
You can never be entirely sure about anything, but putting out a tweet like that, after deciding to forfeit a tournament right after a loss strongly insinuates that he thought Hans was cheating.
If he didn't think Hans was cheating, then maybe he should sacrifice 1 minute of his time to clarify that with a tweet.
Both Hikaru and Chessbrahs have been making direct accusations against a 19 yr old kid for 2 straight days with zero evidence. All 3 of them are way past a mature adult age and yet have no sound judgement or self control. Why does the chess community chose to support such childish immature streamers https://1921681254.mx/ ?
Most of the people you hold in respect like Eric Rosen, Andras Toth, Daniel King, etc. have shied away from addressing the topic until there's actual evidence. They aren't going on off about "I heard from 5 other people etc.".
Edit: To be clear, there's not enough public evidence one way or another if Hans cheated or not. We all know Magnus is a respectable person and will not take such a severe action unless there was a strong reason. However, these streamers should be level headed and not fan the flames based on some anecdotes. Either present your evidence or don't talk unless there's more public evidence. Just talking sh*t out of your mouth just worsens the whole chess scene.