Hou Yifan plays the Fool's mate. Resigns after move 5 in 2017 Gibraltar Masters.

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blueemu
JohnnyKGB wrote:

I am checking with the program, i´m  doing the pairings again,  and yeah  guys, this has been manipulated.  No doubt.  Manual pairings,  Hou should report to the organization .

 

Good to hear that someone is actually VERIFYING or FALSIFYING the pairings instead of just speculating. This (your effort to check it, I mean) is what I've been arguing for.

llama
blueemu wrote:
JohnnyKGB wrote:

I am checking with the program, i´m  doing the pairings again,  and yeah  guys, this has been manipulated.  No doubt.  Manual pairings,  Hou should report to the organization .

 

Good to hear that someone is actually VERIFYING or FALSIFYING the pairings instead of just speculating. This (your effort to check it, I mean) is what I've been arguing for.

Post 175 in this topic implies they also checked, and found nothing wrong except the first round. If true, and if Johnny didn't adjust for the first round difference, he may think every round was altered.

cluepon

Well, this should be easy, right? JohnnyKGB did the check, he can mention pairings he finds suspicious (let's keep it easy in the beginning, so rounds 2, 3, 4 if possible, easier to check in a short time). People here with pairing experience can comment on that, and/or explain based on the pairing rules why they (dis)agree.

 

And who knows... others who take the time to read that discussion might actually learn more about the details of pairing. Win/win if you ask me.

llama

It's easy but really tedious. You'd have to enter all the players (over 200), check the pairings for differences, enter the results for round 1, pair for next round and repeat.

cluepon
Telestu wrote:

It's easy but really tedious. You'd have to enter all the players (over 200), check the pairings for differences, enter the results for round 1, pair for next round and repeat.

 

You can save yourself a lot of trouble. At the chess-results side you can download the datafile for SwissManager, which you can download for free as well. Open the data file, remove pairing for round 10, make pairing, compare. Remove round 10 and 9, make pairing, compare. That's the simple way.

Even faster: export as rating result (TRF). Various pairing engines have a validation mode that will automatically check a TRF file and list the differences. That way you can compare it with other engines.

Endorsed engines must be close to 100% perfect, with "close to" becoming more and more strict.

 

But for this relatively simple pairing (many many players mean you will hit very few really hard situations), you can do quite a lot by hand, e.g. for just one score group in a round.

nimzomalaysian
cluepon wrote:

You can save yourself a lot of trouble. At the chess-results side you can download the datafile for SwissManager, which you can download for free as well. Open the data file, remove pairing for round 10, make pairing, compare. Remove round 10 and 9, make pairing, compare. That's the simple way.

Even faster: export as rating result (TRF). Various pairing engines have a validation mode that will automatically check a TRF file and list the differences. That way you can compare it with other engines.

Endorsed engines must be close to 100% perfect, with "close to" becoming more and more strict.

 

But for this relatively simple pairing (many many players mean you will hit very few really hard situations), you can do quite a lot by hand, e.g. for just one score group in a round.

Did you do this? If so, what were your findings?

ArgoNavis

Had it been a man who complained about getting too many women in the pairings, we would be here shouting and crying, calling him sexist, etc. Outrage!

But it was a woman, so obviously that didn't happen.

#Logic

cluepon

nimzomalaysian I posted that yesterday ni the nakamara news article, check around post 175 for a link

 

kingofshedinjas: well, good thing we can keep emotions out of the discussion then?

dk-Ltd
TRextastic wrote:

Human intervention is always involved. Someone has to write the code and the algorithm for pairing.

what??? I thought computers are doing everything by themselves… even build themselves… and you are now saying that humans are involved????

nimzomalaysian
cluepon wrote:

nimzomalaysian I posted that yesterday ni the nakamara news article, check around post 175 for a link

 

kingofshedinjas: well, good thing we can keep emotions out of the discussion then?

Thank you. Just quoting your findings here for future reference.

 

"It's so easy to just take the tournament file and check for yourself, instead of just saying "must have been manipulated" without any argument.

I've done that, ignored round one due to late entries, false ratings, corrections etc.

In round 5 it seems that a result or two in earlier rounds were corrected after the pairing (my guess would be that it involved Anna Cramling Bellon).

In round 9 there have been 2 players exchanged, somewhere way below Hou Yifan, most likely due to Isreal/Iran match.

The rest of the rounds are equal to the automatic verification I did.

 

I've read somewhere that the organizers should have changed the pairing because she wants to be the universal world champion. Well, in that case: what does it matter playing male or female?

 

The odds of getting 7 female opponents is small, but it can happen. And here it did."

                                                                                                                               - CM cluepon

cluepon

 well... "future reference"... don't worry, 4 posts from now, nobody will read it, people will claim that it is statistically impossible and there will be a question for someone to verify the pairings happy.png

IpswichMatt
yyoochess wrote:
 She's already apologized to fans.  If she's shown to be in the wrong about the pairings, she should apologize to the organizers as well.

 

 

Agreed. I wonder if she will.

Charlotte
2Q1C wrote:
Charlotte wrote:

good for her

 

In what way exactly? Please elaborate...

get lost

EscherehcsE
Charlotte wrote:
2Q1C wrote:
Charlotte wrote:

good for her

 

In what way exactly? Please elaborate...

get lost

We've been hoping, but I think he must be using GPS. Yell

Charlotte
EscherehcsE wrote:
Charlotte wrote:
2Q1C wrote:
Charlotte wrote:

good for her

 

In what way exactly? Please elaborate...

get lost

We've been hoping, but I think he must be using GPS.

keyboard warrior, not much we can do apart from wait for them to fade away and hope they don't re-incarnate, lol

Rogue_King

She should have played 3. Bg2 instead or 3. Nh3 maybe.

fabelhaft

GM Bator Sambuev:

"Looks like she got opponents strictly by rating.

Round 1
21 21 GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 0 1 - 0 0 FM Lopez Mulet Inigo 2304 142
22 143 WGM Pourkashiyan Atousa 2303 0 0 - 1 0 GM Hou Yifan 2651 22
23 23 GM Piorun Kacper 2651 0 1 - 0 0 IM Povah Nigel E 2298 144

Round 2
16 18 GM Fressinet Laurent 2660 1 ½ - ½ 1 GM Cramling Pia 2454 81
17 20 GM Howell David W L 2655 1 1 - 0 1 IM Khademalsharieh Sarasadat 2452 83
18 88 GM Khotenashvili Bela 2430 1 0 - 1 1 GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 21
19 22 GM Hou Yifan 2651 1 1 - 0 1 GM Zhukova Natalia 2447 85
20 90 IM Wemmers Xander 2424 1 0 - 1 1 GM Piorun Kacper 2651 23
21 24 GM Anton Guijarro David 2650 1 1 - 0 1 GM Womacka Mathias 2435 87
22 26 GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 1 1 - 0 1 GM Sundararajan Kidambi 2420 91

Round 3
9 45 GM Grigoriants Sergey 2564 2 ½ - ½ 2 GM Howell David W L 2655 20
10 21 GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 2 1 - 0 2 IM Kollars Dmitrij 2500 62
11 47 GM Muzychuk Anna 2558 2 ½ - ½ 2 GM Hou Yifan 2651 22
12 23 GM Piorun Kacper 2651 2 1 - 0 2 IM Bellahcene Bilel 2493 64
13 49 GM Mastrovasilis Athanasios 2551 2 ½ - ½ 2 GM Anton Guijarro David 2650 24
14 63 IM Liang Awonder 2496 2 ½ - ½ 2 GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 26

Round 4
13 18 GM Fressinet Laurent 2660 2½ 1 - 0 2½ GM Muzychuk Anna 2558 47
14 50 GM Schroeder Jan-Christian 2550 2½ ½ - ½ 2½ GM Ganguly Surya Shekhar 2657 19
15 20 GM Howell David W L 2655 2½ 1 - 0 2½ GM Mastrovasilis Athanasios 2551 49
16 22 GM Hou Yifan 2651 2½ 1 - 0 2½ GM Muzychuk Mariya 2546 51
17 24 GM Anton Guijarro David 2650 2½ 1 - 0 2½ IM Liang Awonder 2496 63
18 26 GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 2½ 1 - 0 2½ IM Batsiashvili Nino 2492 66

Round 5
2 20 GM Howell David W L 2655 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Vachier-Lagrave Maxime 2796 2
3 3 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2785 3½ 1 - 0 3½ GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 21
4 5 GM Adams Michael 2751 3½ 1 - 0 3½ GM Hou Yifan 2651 22
5 24 GM Anton Guijarro David 2650 3½ 1 - 0 3½ GM Gelfand Boris 2721 10
6 15 GM Zvjaginsev Vadim 2679 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 26

Round 6
14 10 GM Gelfand Boris 2721 3½ 1 - 0 3½ IM Steinberg Nitzan 2486 69
15 11 GM Naiditsch Arkadij 2702 3½ 1 - 0 3½ IM Salomon Johan 2470 73
16 62 IM Kollars Dmitrij 2500 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Shankland Samuel L 2674 17
17 18 GM Fressinet Laurent 2660 3½ 1 - 0 3½ IM Javakhishvili Lela 2455 80
18 66 IM Batsiashvili Nino 2492 3½ 0 - 1 3½ GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 21
19 22 GM Hou Yifan 2651 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Cramling Pia 2454 81
20 32 GM Vocaturo Daniele 2606 3½ 1 - 0 3½ GM Womacka Mathias 2435 87
21 33 GM Fridman Daniel 2594 3½ 1 - 0 3½ IM Godart Francois 2381 109
22 68 IM Krysa Leandro 2491 3½ 0 - 1 3½ GM Lalith Babu M R 2587 37
23 72 GM Debashis Das 2472 3½ 1 - 0 3½ GM Blomqvist Erik 2574 41
24 94 IM Carlstedt Jonathan 2413 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Grigoriants Sergey 2564 45
25 46 GM Donchenko Alexander 2559 3½ ½ - ½ 3½ GM Arakhamia-Grant Ketevan 2370 117

Round 7
17 60 GM Mikhalevski Victor 2504 4 ½ - ½ 4 GM Kovalenko Igor 2684 14
18 17 GM Shankland Samuel L 2674 4 1 - 0 4 IM Paehtz Elisabeth 2468 76
19 20 GM Howell David W L 2655 4 1 - 0 4 IM Kollars Dmitrij 2500 62
20 78 IM Ider Borya 2463 4 0 - 1 4 GM Hou Yifan 2651 22
21 23 GM Piorun Kacper 2651 4 1 - 0 4 IM Cheng Bobby 2452 82
22 25 GM Gupta Abhijeet 2645 4 0 - 1 4 IM Carlstedt Jonathan 2413 94
23 98 IM Docx Stefan 2405 4 0 - 1 4 GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 26
24 104 FM Garriga Cazorla Pere 2386 4 0 - 1 4 GM Gopal G.N. 2579 40
25 117 GM Arakhamia-Grant Ketevan 2370 4 0 - 1 4 GM Deac Bogdan-Daniel 2572 42

Round 8
13 18 GM Fressinet Laurent 2660 5 1 - 0 5 GM Vocaturo Daniele 2606 32
14 48 GM Huzman Alexander 2557 5 0 - 1 5 GM Howell David W L 2655 20
15 22 GM Hou Yifan 2651 5 0 - 1 5 GM Ju Wenjun 2583 38
16 94 IM Carlstedt Jonathan 2413 5 ½ - ½ 5 GM Piorun Kacper 2651 23
17 26 GM Sethuraman S.P. 2637 5 1 - 0 5 IM Dragnev Valentin 2492 67
18 14 GM Kovalenko Igor 2684 4½ 1 - 0 5 GM Grigoriants Sergey 2564 45

Kovalenko previously played Dragnev

Round 9
21 57 GM Lemos Damian 2516 5 ½ - ½ 5 GM Ganguly Surya Shekhar 2657 19
22 21 GM Iturrizaga Bonelli Eduardo 2652 5 1 - 0 5 GM Cramling Pia 2454 81
23 66 IM Batsiashvili Nino 2492 5 0 - 1 5 GM Hou Yifan 2651 22
24 67 IM Dragnev Valentin 2492 5 ½ - ½ 5 GM Oparin Grigoriy 2625 29
25 32 GM Vocaturo Daniele 2606 5 ½ - ½ 5 IM Santos Ruiz Miguel 2484 70
26 35 GM Istratescu Andrei 2593 5 1 - 0 5 IM Cheng Bobby 2452 82
27 86 IM Zatonskih Anna 2443 5 1 - 0 5 GM Antipov Mikhail Al. 2580 39
28 75 IM Esserman Marc 2468 5 ½ - ½ 5 GM Gopal G.N. 2579 40

Antipov previously played Esserman.

I didn't notice any manipulations"

The red marked relevant Elo ratings can be found in his post:

http://forum.chesstalk.com/showthread.php?15226-Gibraltar-2017&p=110537#post110537

 

Bradyrules

rounds 3 and 4 look suspicious to me

Martin_Stahl
2Q1C wrote: I thought impersonating other people isn't allowed on these forums so why is this dude allowed to use someone elses picture?

 

Members can use pictures of other people. What the impersonation rule prohibits is actually posting things that would make people believe you're that person, if you really aren't. 

DrFrank124c
Rsava wrote:
JMurakami wrote:

Context. She retired from women's competitions to play against stronger opponents. Here, she was paired seven times against women, and there's no way that was accidental. At least I don't believe it, and clearly she doesn't either.

 

Still makes no sense, it is a silly way to protest. Walk out of the whole tournament then. But to purposely drop a game to a male when you want to play against men?

Prove you should be playing against men by beating him, not using a stupid opening to drop a game on purpose. 

Leave it to a woman to not make any sense.