How 2 beat 2.. f6

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On chess.com people play foolish opening on purpose. This will teach u how to beat 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 just in case this happens to you

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After 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6!? what would u do?

 

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This is the best line for black.

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Or u could have the boring game w/ the clear advantage

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https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/game-gifs/90px/green/neo/0/cc/0/bUMwS2d2MVR2S1RLZE4yVU5LITBLP1lRbEI3R2NsR05mbU5HbEdYUEdsWlJsVjAhPyE1Wm1FWlQhOQ,,.gif?gameId=191476164

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The link above is my game

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So which will u chose?

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3. Nxe5 or 3. Bc4?

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Definitely stick with 3.Nxe5. Stockfish recommends 3.d4 or 3.Nc3 because with best play from Black white is just a tiny bit better in those lines than after 3.Nxe5 Qe7. (Just to be clear, white is still better after Qe7, just not by as much.) However the difference doesn’t count for that much between human amateurs and not playing Nxe5 means you miss all those nice easy wins against people who just accept the sacrifice automatically. Nice example of where ignoring the computer is best for practical games.
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DeirdreSkye έγραψε:

Black is actually fine after 3.Nxe5 Qe7.

White gets an advantage but only a marginal one.

Actually Black is painfully close to being busted if White follows up properly.

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Bobby played this with "careless mode" activated at a simul. Instead of 8.Nd4, white has several ways to get a crushing advantage.

The most convincing is probably 8.Nc3 Qxc2 9.Qd4 Nc6 10.Qe3+ followed by 0-0, when the threat of Ne1 winning Black's queen effecctively forces Black to part with a piece.

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Dude this is the damiano defense, a well know line. Blacks is mated or faces big loses if 3.Qe7 is not played

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wizardtj wrote:

This is the best line for black.

I disagree. 4. Qh5+!

EDIT: Never mind, I looked at terrible source probably written by a 500.

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Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:

Dude this is the damiano defense, a well know line. Blacks is mated or faces big loses if 3.Qe7 is not played

Dude, i know what it is.

Since 3...fxe5 loses by force, Black has to play something else- and 3...Qe7 is not a solution: wandering your Queen and losing a ton of tempos for just recovering the pawn is not much better (if any) than 3...fxe5.

Better admit that you blundered a pawn at move 2 already, and start developing some pieces with 3...Nc6 or 3...Ne7. Of course the chances to avoid loss are not great at all, but at least they are somwhere in inner space.

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pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:

Dude this is the damiano defense, a well know line. Blacks is mated or faces big loses if 3.Qe7 is not played

Dude, i know what it is.

Since 3...fxe5 loses by force, Black has to play something else- and 3...Qe7 is not a solution: wandering your Queen and losing a ton of tempos for just recovering the pawn is not much better (if any) than 3...fxe5.

Better admit that you blundered a pawn at move 2 already, and start developing some pieces with 3...Nc6 or 3...Ne7. Of course the chances to avoid loss are not great at all, but at least they are somwhere in inner space.

Obviously you know, I was refering to the author of the topic. By the way, the engine only sees 3.Qe7 as a good move. But I saw 3.Nge7 and the engine says it's almost as good (Qe7=+1,7 ; Nge7=+1,8)