I,Korsakoffski,played an briljant move.There for,my game was briljant.. https://www.chess.com/game/live/37290637531
How are brilliant moves decided?
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Apr 23, 2022
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#43
ExtremeDragon2 wrote:
My opponent just did a brilliant move and I have no idea why
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/6421566458?tab=report
None of the moves are listed as brilliant today...
Apr 23, 2022
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#44
Mats-Op-de-Beeck wrote:
Brilliant moves are moves the engine didn’t really detect. The engine calculates to a certain depth after that it does not calculate any further moves, higher depth the longer it takes to calculate of course. If a human plays a move, it forces the engine to reset it’s depth and calculate all new possible moves starting from the new position. The computer might suddenly see that the move played was better than the suggested best move, hence brilliant moves can’t be suggested by the engine and only humans can play them. Even if the move seems “obvious” to us, the engine might have spotted another move that it thought was the best, until of course it is forced to recalculate. I hope this could help!
Actually, I can see that the engine detects the brilliant move, and recommends it.
Mats-Op-de-Beeck wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
Mats-Op-de-Beeck wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
The difference between a best move and a brilliant move is that a brilliant move is the ONLY move that is winning and all other moves are either draws and/or losing moves. If you are in the position to make a brilliant move, you have no good moves, no excellent moves, and only 1 best move, which is considered a brilliant move. There are 2 types of brilliant moves, if you download the game PGN you will notice a brilliant move with either 1 exclamation mark or 2 exclamation marks. When the computer engine analyzes in a much deeper depth, the 2 exclamation mark !! brilliant moves are very rare and MUCH harder to find than the single exclamation mark.
That's simple not true, it depends on the engine's depth, if you set the depth higher, the engine will suggest the move and it won't be indicated as brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnx5cfFQ3jw
I see what you’re saying but like I said, it still only depends on the engine depth. Even if it is at max depth it might not be able to calculate enough moves for it to know that it is “brilliant”. By playing the move and you force the engine to calculate all following moves starting from that position (resettling the engine’s depth), if the engine sees that this move is better than the best move it was able to find, it’s a “brilliant” move. You can also just download the stockfish engine for yourself, set the depth to like 60, give it a couple hours of time and it will suggest totally different moves than the engine at depth 30. Of course it will take way longer to calculate and analyze the game and it won’t give you this handy game report card but that’s just because of chess.com limitations. Takes more processing power etc. So I would suggest you check out the stockfish engine for yourself if you’re interested, the link is: https://stockfishchess.org or https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish for the source code.
That's not how it works for chess.com's brilliant moves though. They updated how brilliant moves are calculated in 31st October 2021. Now it has nothing to do with engine not finding it, because then they could call a completely regular move brilliant and they were very rare. Now brilliant moves are kind of subdivided into 2 categories, great moves and brilliant moves. A great move is the only move in a chess position that wins (or draws if you are losing) and everything else either loses or draws. A brilliant move is just a great move but it requires a sacrifice of some sort to be called brilliant. And must also be the best move or nearly the best move. I personally really like this change because of the reason above (they could call a completely regular move brilliant and they were very rare).
Sacrifice of material + Only winning move or drawing move = Brilliant move.
Sometimes if you are winning and find a sacrifice it will be brilliant.
Brilliant moves become rarer as you climb up the rating ladder. For instance, a queen sacrifice for forced mate might be a brilliant move at low level, but at higher levels brilliant moves require more complex calculation.
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
Sacrifice of material + Only winning move or drawing move = Brilliant move.
Sometimes if you are winning and find a sacrifice it will be brilliant.
Brilliant moves become rarer as you climb up the rating ladder. For instance, a queen sacrifice for forced mate might be a brilliant move at low level, but at higher levels brilliant moves require more complex calculation.
exactly
Apr 28, 2022
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#48
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
Sacrifice of material + Only winning move or drawing move = Brilliant move.
Sometimes if you are winning and find a sacrifice it will be brilliant.
Brilliant moves become rarer as you climb up the rating ladder. For instance, a queen sacrifice for forced mate might be a brilliant move at low level, but at higher levels brilliant moves require more complex calculation.
I found some brilliant moves that aren’t sacrifice. Do they have exception?
ChessSBM wrote:
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
Sacrifice of material + Only winning move or drawing move = Brilliant move.
Sometimes if you are winning and find a sacrifice it will be brilliant.
Brilliant moves become rarer as you climb up the rating ladder. For instance, a queen sacrifice for forced mate might be a brilliant move at low level, but at higher levels brilliant moves require more complex calculation.
I found some brilliant moves that aren’t sacrifice. Do they have exception?
No but sometimes it's a very hard sacrifice to find. I just had my first brilliant move today and it didn't seem like a sac at all. It was just a king move. But the oponent could trap my bishop but i would still be winning. And it was the only winning move.
Apr 30, 2022
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#50
Jebkoundisputed wrote:
It all depends, how you think ,how you see, it as homeless beg for coins at bus station, you shall too soon, be a milion coin master in 20 years, but a fraction of time indeed! Briliant moves are mystery yet simple to comprehend and too difficult to decypher, they are inbetween lines of begging for coins and trusting them with goods and services, go now go go to sewers find some gold, make a cable to
Can you stop commenting in forums? Your comments are unnecessary
Apr 30, 2022
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#51
It depends on 1) your rating, and 2) it is nearly always a sacrifice. So if i with rapid rating of 2250 analyze a 1500 game, it doesn't have to show brilliant to me, but for the 1500 it does
Apr 30, 2022
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#52
XxThe_DestroyerxX wrote:
It depends on 1) your rating, and 2) it is nearly always a sacrifice. So if i with rapid rating of 2250 analyze a 1500 game, it doesn't have to show brilliant to me, but for the 1500 it does
Are you sure? Since I have never knew this.
Apr 30, 2022
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#53
ShrekChess69420 wrote:
Sacrifice of material + Only winning move or drawing move = Brilliant move.
Sometimes if you are winning and find a sacrifice it will be brilliant.
Brilliant moves become rarer as you climb up the rating ladder. For instance, a queen sacrifice for forced mate might be a brilliant move at low level, but at higher levels brilliant moves require more complex calculation.
I'm intrigued by brilliant moves, especially my own, so I decided to analyze them. I also added them to a library, creating collection of games featuring brilliant moves. It didn't take long for me to get suspicious about the rating system. Instead of finding out the algorithm behind brilliant moves, I discovered a pattern that indicated it was less absolute and more conditional.
They way I understand it, every brilliant move I played is not actually brilliant. It's brilliant for a player like me. Not only is it a useless qualification, it's even embarrassing.
Can anyone clarify:
If a move I played is labeled as brilliant, you know, for a player like me. What happens if someone else reviews the same game. Do they still see it as a brilliant move? Or do other players reviewing the same game get feedback 'at their level'?
And another question. Some of the moves that I saved (bookmarked) because they were labeled as brilliant, aren't anymore. Recently, not before the big update, about one month ago. Same goes for blunders, etc. Now I'm wondering, whenever I analyze a game that I have analyzed before and the outcome is different. Is the engine applying an new and updated calculation, that is still objective, or is the engine giving me an updated outcome adjusted to my new current rating?
XxThe_DestroyerxX wrote:
It depends on 1) your rating, and 2) it is nearly always a sacrifice. So if i with rapid rating of 2250 analyze a 1500 game, it doesn't have to show brilliant to me, but for the 1500 it does
Is that really true? That would imply that if you share a game asking for feedback on a brilliant move or a blunder you played, you have no idea whether the other player will see which move you are talking about, unless you specify it. Is that how it works now?
Mats-Op-de-Beeck wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
Mats-Op-de-Beeck wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
The difference between a best move and a brilliant move is that a brilliant move is the ONLY move that is winning and all other moves are either draws and/or losing moves. If you are in the position to make a brilliant move, you have no good moves, no excellent moves, and only 1 best move, which is considered a brilliant move. There are 2 types of brilliant moves, if you download the game PGN you will notice a brilliant move with either 1 exclamation mark or 2 exclamation marks. When the computer engine analyzes in a much deeper depth, the 2 exclamation mark !! brilliant moves are very rare and MUCH harder to find than the single exclamation mark.
That's simple not true, it depends on the engine's depth, if you set the depth higher, the engine will suggest the move and it won't be indicated as brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnx5cfFQ3jw
I see what you’re saying but like I said, it still only depends on the engine depth. Even if it is at max depth it might not be able to calculate enough moves for it to know that it is “brilliant”. By playing the move and you force the engine to calculate all following moves starting from that position (resettling the engine’s depth), if the engine sees that this move is better than the best move it was able to find, it’s a “brilliant” move. You can also just download the stockfish engine for yourself, set the depth to like 60, give it a couple hours of time and it will suggest totally different moves than the engine at depth 30. Of course it will take way longer to calculate and analyze the game and it won’t give you this handy game report card but that’s just because of chess.com limitations. Takes more processing power etc. So I would suggest you check out the stockfish engine for yourself if you’re interested, the link is: https://stockfishchess.org or https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish for the source code.
My understanding is that it's one of 2 things: the move played essentially allows the engine to calculate to a higher depth, and it determines that the move played was better than the initially calculated best move that was calculated in the previous position. Or, the engine is analyzing in the background during the game to a specific depth, and analyzes deeper when you do a game report, and if the suggested move from doing so changes when calculated starting from one move compared to starting from the next and is better for the player then its brilliant. It's probably the first one though, since that only requires the game to be analyzed once. But I'm not entirely certain, since if it's about the increase in depth you get from moving forward one move, then the engine only finds out that the move is better with only one more move of depth? It's possible, but seems unlikely for such a thing to happen, as in for the engine to REALIZE the better move with just one more move of depth. Although brilliant moves ARE rare and that one move could have a great effect in terms of pruning the trees and make it easier to find the better move than one would expect.
Jan 6, 2023
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#55
i've done this move over thousands of times and only now it's seen as brilliant. ik it's probably what the chess engine foresaw as a consequence of the move and not the move itself in just this game though lmao. though i pretty much won after the move. https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/68129548511?tab=review
Phantasma10 wrote:
How is this a brilliant move? https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/66757314543?tab=review
I think it's because after white's brilliant move and its best move right after, black's knight which was also a best move is now stuck by a rook. Black now has to block with its bishop to move the knight till he castles. A big hassle for the opponent, i feel like it's what brilliant moves are, rather than just a good move which is what best moves are. So hassles for best moves are probably something that triggers brilliant moves too. In my brilliant move, i moved a queen to make a knight and rook trade since he probably needed the knight or maybe it had a good position. i'm not a chess bot so these are just theories lol. https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/68129548511?tab=review
Mar 5, 2023
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#58
Brilliant moves are literally just a sacrifice. for example, :https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/66954190457?tab=analysis
I sacrifice my bishop to checkmate, assuming he captures with pawn
even if he doesn't capture, I still win material
can someone explain how you would get a brillant move? for example, like 43% you can get a brillant move
i played a back to back brilliant move in a game here is the analysis of the game. https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/34330197257