How come the best solver is not Super GM?

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World Chess Solving Championship

From the wikipedia page of Piotr Murdzia https://goo.gl/zZ4JeDHe has won the World Chess Solving Championship five times (2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009) and placed second three times (2001, 2004, 2010).

He has a peak rating of 2485 according to his FIDE chess profile: http://goo.gl/aQ0jC4. I'm thinking about the followings: chess is not 99% tactics and solvers are good at it but may lack strategy among other requirements.

Would today's top ten dominate the solving championship? If this is the case, the previous considerations may be wrong.

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Nipplewise wrote:

World Chess Solving Championship

From the wikipedia page of Piotr Murdzia https://goo.gl/zZ4JeDHe has won the World Chess Solving Championship five times (2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009) and placed second three times (2001, 2004, 2010).

He has a peak rating of 2485 according to his FIDE chess profile: http://goo.gl/aQ0jC4. I'm thinking about the followings: chess is not 99% tactics and solvers are good at it but may lack strategy among other requirements.

Would today's top ten dominate the solving championship? If this is the case, the previous considerations may be wrong.

You didn't mention that he is an IM. He was awarded the IM title in 1994. He won tournaments in Świdnica (1998) and Legnica (2003) making two grandmaster's norms.  That's not so bad.

/ As far as why Magnus is not the the "World Chess Solving Champion", I would guess it has to do with money (or the lack thereof) in these competitions. If they paid well, the top GM's would probably compete.

//Before today, I never heard of the World Chess Solving Championship. Here is the WFCC (World Federation for Chess Composition) home page.

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If the World Chess Solving Championship had the prestige and rewards of the World Chess Championship, we might find out if Super GMs were up to the task of being the best solvers.

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Because the starting position isn't mate in two?

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It actually is...luv.

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Presumably his training is focused on solving... 

If he had the talent and desire to become a Super GM... he would need to do less training on solving, which would likely result in him not remaining the best solver for long - his solvng skills would decay, while the skills of other solvers would be improving.

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fabelhaft ha scritto:

Because the starting position isn't mate in two?

https://goo.gl/BaVB40

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Kasparov can solve almost any problem instantly. Top GMs are not supposedly the best problem solvers because they simply don't compete in such competitions.

I wish I could cite the source, but once I read this story about Shirov. He had some friend who gave him some problem over the telephone. It was something like some mate in 11 or whatever. He then left to go visit Shirov, just after giving him the problem on the phone. After he got to Shirov's house, Shirov had already solved it ... AND HE DIDN'T EVEN OWN A CHESS BOARD!  He constructed and solved a mate in 11 with NO CHESS BOARD! BLINDFOLD! Is it possible that one of these 2400 rated world chess problem solving champions is as good at solving problems as a top GM?

Not no but F__KING HELL NO.

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Nipplewise wrote:

 chess is not 99% tactics 

Yes. It is well known that this stat is not accurate.

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Question--are the positions those which would arrive from a real game--this makes a big difference...

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Super GMs aren't trained for solving puzzles.

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MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

Super GMs aren't trained for solving puzzles.

You sure? It seems like, in this day and age of chess, you MUST do lots of tactical puzzles to be good.

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I'm sure. They focus on other aspects.