How come this is a 'Theoretical Novelty"?

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Lent_Barsen
One_Zeroth wrote:

3 Bd5 technically does not waste a tempo.

For less development after 4 BxN it's worth it for it leaves Black with doubled pawns, and an inferior position.

1) Sure it wastes a tempo. You've arrived a position with black to play you could have arrived at with white to play

2) After 4. BxN black now has the bishops pair, which is generally considered at least fair compensation for doubled pawns in most positions, and either 4...dxc3 opens a diagonal for white's bishop (development) or 4...bxc3 gives white added control over the center and an open b-file.

One_Zeroth

"After 4. BxN black now has the bishops pair, which is generally considered at least fair compensation for doubled pawns in most positions,"

Fischer debunks that. With his "Ruy Lopez - Exchange Variation" as White.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/ezsearch.pl?search=Bobby+Fischer+Ruy+lopez+exchange+variation+

One_Zeroth
Duck wrote:

Bd5 is just plain stupid, just three wasted tempos and assisting in black's development

Bb5 is basically the Ruy Lopez with the exception of there not being a knight on f3

It seems Nf3 would be the "wasted move."

Duck
One_Zeroth wrote:
Duck wrote:

Bd5 is just plain stupid, just three wasted tempos and assisting in black's development

Bb5 is basically the Ruy Lopez with the exception of there not being a knight on f3

It seems Nf3 would be the "wasted move."

And how would Nf3 be a wasted move exactly?

One_Zeroth

You attack the e pawn which is already defended by the c6 Knight.

Duck
One_Zeroth wrote:

You attack the e pawn which is already defended by the c6 Knight.

You do you.

Lent_Barsen

Hmmm. Proposing 1. e4 e5 2, Bc4 Nc6 3. Bb5 but then referencing Fischer games in the Exchange Ruy? I smell a troll.

One_Zeroth
angryspacevoid wrote:
One_Zeroth wrote:

3 Bd5 technically does not waste a tempo.

For less development after 4 BxN it's worth it for it leaves Black with doubled pawns, and an inferior position.

bro actually thinks that the ruy lopez gives black a losing position

this is just the ruy lopez exchange but down like 2 tempos

My move does, Sir. I don't know about "The Ruy Lopez Exchange Variation" except Fischer won or far less would draw with it each time he experimented with it.

So why would they never beat him, with it?

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/ezsearch.pl?search=Bobby+Fischer+Ruy+lopez+exchange+variation+

Laskersnephew

In answer to #8 and #9. There's a reason no good player has ever played these lines as white!

One_Zeroth

Statistally it's a real stinker for the Black.

https://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=9&n=949&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Bxc6.dxc6&ns=3.5.5.6.5.275.801.949#search_block_opening_explorer

One_Zeroth
Laskersnephew wrote:

In answer to #8 and #9. There's a reason no good player has ever played these lines as white!

Black's only ahead by 1 Move, there.

One_Zeroth

I concocted it to avoid 2...Nc6 3 Nf3 Bc5

The boring Giuoco Piano.

One_Zeroth

The Giuoco Piano is like a Black hole, that you cannot escape and cannot regret.

While Bd5 or b5 is a great bean of light that avoids it.

sumxr_txme

Bd5 kills me inside happy.png

Laskersnephew

Talk is talk, but moves are moves. Your talk is eloquent. Your moves, not so much!

One_Zeroth
Troll wrote:

this is such a brilliant idea all Grandmasters of chess should begin to study it!

the bishop on d5 serves as a blockade of the d pawn, restricting all counter play

I'm Glad "[The] Troll" himself would stop his busy schedule just to comment on my thread...and "troll it"

I must seem important priority, then.

One_Zeroth

Then again, he may have only been lucky to claim that handle before anyone else did!?

The_Doge_Lord

I think this is stupid.

Nf6 and black is much better, no?

One_Zeroth
sumxr_txme

@One_Zeroth lmao u seriously think they’re taking back with the d-pawn? Most players above 800 would take back with the b-pawn.

Seriously, just play a Ruy Lopez if you want to play something