how do I arrange to play chess games against prison inmates?

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orangehonda
ilikeflags wrote:
Eo____ wrote:
goldendog wrote:

@ flags

We're not going to run out of people who don't read, comprehend, or reason, yet post fluidly.


I agree :)


so awesome...  this thread should be a movie.


Who would you want to play the roll of ilikeflags?  How about Ricky Gervais, an englishman whose blend of funny and offensive comments make him a star Tongue out

Eo____
FirebrandX wrote:

Actually it's common knowledge that both sides often pick jurors based on how much manipulation will work on them. Usually the most intelligent/wise prospective jurors are rejected by one side or the other. It's a game played by both the defense and prosecution to shape the jury pool into the best chance at making their own case.

Like it or not, innocent people have been convicted and the guilty have been aquitted based solely on the "product" sold to the jury. Just look at the whole O.J. trial fiasco. Even to this day, many of those jurors claim they made the right call based on the case presented, but that would only be true if they were the 12 most gullible people from the entire pool... Which comes from the process of jury selection. It's the one biggest problems I see in our justice system. A jury should actually consist of judges and experts as applicable, not of average "peers" that can be persuaded by linguistic ledgerdemain instead of common sense and hard evidence.


Bravo. I knew there were intelligent people on this forum :)

ilikeflags
orangehonda wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:
Eo____ wrote:
goldendog wrote:

@ flags

We're not going to run out of people who don't read, comprehend, or reason, yet post fluidly.


I agree :)


so awesome...  this thread should be a movie.


Who would you want to play the roll of ilikeflags?  How about Ricky Gervais, an englishman whose blend of funny and offensive comments make him a star


no, i think the rock would do nicely.  (ps i only play english.  i was born in california to an english immigrant)

ilikeflags
Eo____ wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:

Actually it's common knowledge that both sides often pick jurors based on how much manipulation will work on them. Usually the most intelligent/wise prospective jurors are rejected by one side or the other. It's a game played by both the defense and prosecution to shape the jury pool into the best chance at making their own case.

Like it or not, innocent people have been convicted and the guilty have been aquitted based solely on the "product" sold to the jury. Just look at the whole O.J. trial fiasco. Even to this day, many of those jurors claim they made the right call based on the case presented, but that would only be true if they were the 12 most gullible people from the entire pool... Which comes from the process of jury selection. It's the one biggest problems I see in our justice system. A jury should actually consist of judges and experts as applicable, not of average "peers" that can be persuaded by linguistic ledgerdemain instead of common sense and hard evidence.


Bravo. I knew there were intelligent people on this forum :)


hahaha...  this Eo___ guy is so awesome.  seriously.  i'm laughing really hard right now. 

bigpoison
Eo____ wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:

Actually it's common knowledge that both sides often pick jurors based on how much manipulation will work on them. Usually the most intelligent/wise prospective jurors are rejected by one side or the other. It's a game played by both the defense and prosecution to shape the jury pool into the best chance at making their own case.

Like it or not, innocent people have been convicted and the guilty have been aquitted based solely on the "product" sold to the jury. Just look at the whole O.J. trial fiasco. Even to this day, many of those jurors claim they made the right call based on the case presented, but that would only be true if they were the 12 most gullible people from the entire pool... Which comes from the process of jury selection. It's the one biggest problems I see in our justice system. A jury should actually consist of judges and experts as applicable, not of average "peers" that can be persuaded by linguistic ledgerdemain instead of common sense and hard evidence.


Bravo. I knew there were intelligent people on this forum :)


Really?  Who?

theoreticalboy

It doesn't matter, flags; three quarters of Hollywood consists of English actors nowadays, so you'll end up with one no matter what.

Elubas

You do make some interesting points firebrand. I mean honestly I just try to assume that at least some people won't be complete idiots if they're picked on a jury, but the average person can certainly be manipulated by good lawyers and such.

There must be a reason why the jury isn't filled with experts, instead picking all ordinary people. It could be because it would be too hard to get that many for all of the cases out there, or instead so that we feel like we're a true democracy. Well, I certainly hope it's not the second reason!

Unfortunately, no system of government, justice, economy, etc, can be perfect. They all have serious problems.

ilikeflags

i created a perfect system of government but i'm holding how for the highest bidder.

Elubas

It's probably impossible.

Eo____
ilikeflags wrote:

hahaha...  this Eo___ guy is so awesome.  seriously.  i'm laughing really hard right now. 


For a person who claims to be a teacher in his mid 30's you make a lot of ad hominem attacks. Did it occur to you that when you personally attack people that you don't agree with you just don't come across as being too intelligent? You obviously don't agree with my point of view, and that's fine with me, but at least I tried to defend it using legitimate arguments, not by insulting you or trying to riducule you.

ilikeflags

2 things you need to know about me: i don't care if i don't come off as being too intelligent AND everything i "claim" in my profile is true.

and not to toot my own horn here but, i'm a pretty badass teacher.  i can't tell you how popular i am.  the kids really love me and i them.  sad but true.

 

also worth noting--you certainly have never seen me argue.

if i attacked you, it was out of weakness.  mostly i was trying to mock.  i think your definition of a personal attack is different than mine.

flirtyking
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orangehonda

Let us know how this chess with inmates thing goes for you... of course I'm kidding, we both know you never intended to play a correspondence game with an inmate.

This is part of what makes you a troll eo____ , you may think you're just innocently asking a question, but the way you word the titles are often provocative... you try to provoke people into responding.  Notice that in 4 pages of this topic you only once cared about actually finding a way to play chess with prison inmates (the OP).  A troll would continue posting off-topic in it's own thread as long as people were riled up.  Someone who wanted to play chess with prison inmates would have tried to ask again, and then if people didn't seem to know, he would have left for other sources.

Well ok, that may be unfair, maybe you're just easily distracted and forgot about the whole wanting to play prison chess thing.  So yeah, be sure to keep us updated on how that works out for you...

This seems like a place to start:

Contact information:

  CCD Alex Dunne handles the day-to-day tasks related to Correspondence Chess for the USCF. Please send your game results, vacation notices, time complaints to Alex Dunne, P.O. Box 367, Sayre, PA 18840. Email Alex.

  If you wish to enter a CC event you can mail your entry to: US Chess, Attn: Joan DuBois, P.O. Box 3967, Crossville, TN 38557 or Enter online from our website. Click on "Register for a Tournament". You can also call our tollfree hotline, 1-800-903-USCF (8723) between the hours of 8am & 5pm (CT) and speak to one of our USCF representatives.

 

Also related is this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9uJFl_vglk

Frenzal

First of all... orangehonda wins the thread, it should probably be locked right now.

 

Second... to whoever implied that everyone in prison is a conman or a thug, I would like to ask, have you been there yourself? You know, to check on the bullshit you're talking?

If you were just trolling a troll then ignore the rest...

 

In my personal experience, which to be fair is with a low security facility, alot of the people there are pretty normal. It's not the nicest cross section of society, but very few are career con artists or violent thugs. Many are there for repeat offending of things like growing herb, not paying fines, getting in a fight, turning a trick, traffic violations, using the wrong drugs, swearing at a cop, theiving to feed the kids or a habit or both, not registering dogs or firearms, infact alot of them are in there for probation infringements/failing to show up to community service.

Nothing angelic... but also very little to fill our hearts full of righteous condemnation.

If Eo had half a point, then surely it was that these people are just that... people. They're not scum, or monsters, they're people who have had some bad luck and made some bad choices... and maybe knowing someone out here gives a damn could help them make better choices in future.

Conquistador

About the jurors, two words:

VOIR DIRE!

Azukikuru
Frenzal wrote:

Many are there for repeat offending of things like growing herb, not paying fines, getting in a fight, turning a trick, traffic violations, using the wrong drugs, swearing at a cop, theiving to feed the kids or a habit or both, not registering dogs or firearms, infact alot of them are in there for probation infringements/failing to show up to community service.

... no wonder there are more inmates per capita in the U.S. than anywhere else in the world. Surprised

'Course, a few days ago we just had a murderer released after only 14 years in prison... First thing he did was kill three more people.

ilikeflags

we should all tell about our time in prison.  i escaped from a mexican prison in the late 90s.  i was sentenced to life...  for a murder i didn't commit.  while there, i was the leader of one the most motorious and powerful prison gangs in all the land.  my nickname was "el guapo."  i look back on my time there with mixed feelings.  i never played chess once in prison.

glad i got that off my chest.

flirtyking
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ivandh
ilikeflags wrote:

we should all tell about our time in prison. i escaped from a mexican prison in the late 90s. i was sentenced to life... for a murder i didn't commit. while there, i was the leader of the one most motorious and powerful prison gangs. my nickname was "el guapo." i look back on my time there with mixed feelings. i never played chess once in prison.

glad i got that off my chest.


One time I got a special "cigarette" by chance, and it changed my entire repertoire for white.

Maradonna
ilikeflags wrote:

 how humaistic you are and how jesus is your co-pilot.


 Jesus used to be my co-pilot, but he got messed up like the Gooseman in Top Gun. Now i'm jesusless.