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How do I defend the arguement that chess is a sport?

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DrSpudnik

What's that got to do with gnat neutering?

AlCzervik
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

And don't say

No physical activity

There's sill activity

Just a different kind

no physical activity IS the argument.

using your "logic", one could ask you to prove how grass grows but you are not allowed to mention photosynthesis.

Ziryab
DrSpudnik wrote:

Annie Oakley could shoot the crack off a gnat at 300 yards!

She was a good shot, but this claim stretches the truth, I suspect.

Still, most of what I know about Annie Oakley is what I read at the Josephine County Shhoting Range in the early 1970s. There, the women’s bathrooms were marked with her name, while the men’s were marked with the name of some famous buffalo hunter or gunfighter.

BigChessplayer665
AlCzervik wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Please explain to me HOW it isn't a sport. You guys keep just saying "it isn't a sport" and have no facts to support your claim.

And don't say

No physical activity

There's sill activity

Just a different kind

no physical activity IS the argument.

using your "logic", one could ask you to prove how grass grows but you are not allowed to mention photosynthesis.

But a sport doesn't require physical activity just activity though

BigChessplayer665

A1 C ]

gamecompetition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job:
It needs either physical effort or skill
Chess is a skill I guess it is also a competition /game and it can be both for enjoyment or as a job it fits the requirements for the definition of a sport 
MaetsNori
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

A1 C ]

gamecompetition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job:
It needs either physical effort or skill
Chess is a skill I guess it is also a competition /game and it can be both for enjoyment or as a job it fits the requirements for the definition of a sport 

True.

But now look up the definition of "board game" ... The word "chess" is, quite literally, in the definition itself ... playhand

BigChessplayer665

Yes but a board game is still a game

MaetsNori

Yes, but chess is already defined as a board game. That's the correct definition of it.

We could argue that "Board games are sports", I suppose - but would that be accurate? Or would we just be trying to redefine something, despite it already having a definition?

Consider, for example, "accounting": the skill or activity of keeping records of the money a person or organization earns and spends

Now someone could say, "Ah hah! Accounting is a skill or activity. That means we can call it a sport, too!"

But would that be accurate, as well? I'm not so sure ...

BigChessplayer665

 A board game is a tabletop game

A tabletop game is still a game lol 

Maybe a boardgame is a less broad and more accurate definition but that is still a game it fits both categories 

BigChessplayer665

Now someone could say, "Ah hah! Accounting is a skill or activity. That means we can call it a sport, too!"

Yes but what's more impressive being able to see something ten moves deep without panicking or getting stressed or correctly or adding and subtracting ?

MaetsNori
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

Now someone could say, "Ah hah! Accounting is a skill or activity. That means we can call it a sport, too!"

Yes but what's more impressive being able to see something ten moves deep without panicking or getting stressed or correctly or adding and subtracting ?

I actually dabbled in accounting for a bit and I found it much more confusing than chess.

Assets and liabilities and equities, accruals and amortizations, compound interest and present/future values and ugh ... I'd rather study the Najdorf ... tongue.png

BigChessplayer665

Stats is harder than chess the issue is it has to be in a form of some sort of competition or game accounting and stats aren't really

Unless it is like speedmath or something

MaetsNori
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

... the issue is it has to be in a form of some sort of competition or game accounting and stats aren't really

Well ... not according to the definition that you quoted.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, something has to be a game, or a competition, or an activity, to be considered a sport.

Accounting is obviously an activity, so it still applies. It also requires skill (financial literacy, data manipulation) and physical effort (you've got to move your hands to write and/or type in your data), and it's done according to the rules.

Therefore, Accounting satisfies all the defined criteria of a "sport".

This, of course, is the problem with broad definitions - nearly anything can be loosely defined as a "sport".

That's why I point to the definition of "board game", in which the word "chess" is literally mentioned. There's nothing vague about that definition - it clearly defines exactly what chess is ...

BigChessplayer665

I think it has to be a competition first if I recall...

BigChessplayer665

It is sorta like how matching band isn't considered a sport because it is an art instead for whatever reason 🤷

MaetsNori
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

I think it has to be a competition first if I recall...

It makes sense to use competition as a metric, I agree. And chess definitely is competitive.

But, to me, calling chess a sport is like calling a whale a "giant fish". Sure, whales have a lot of physical and behavioral similarities to fish ... but they're ... technically mammals.

And it's true that competitive chess shares a lot of common traits with competitive sports ... but it's ... technically a board game. tongue.png

BigChessplayer665

And still a board game can be a sport if it fits the right critieria cause it is still a game

Like thinking for 6 hours straight and not trying to mess up is a lot harder... It is like a full time job almost I also bet chess raises heart rate more than accounting you don't have to be fit to do it but if you aren't you might get a heart attack