How do you overcome fear of losing rating?

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Marcyful
jpaul_lyons wrote:

Rating doesn't matter, unless you convince yourself that it matters.  What truly matters is that you have great enjoyment, great love for this crazy, mysterious game.  It is the enjoyment, the music, the poetry of the game... even the ephemeral 5 minute or 10 minute dance is as interesting as the great symphony that can be composed in a cc or daily game.  You want a high rating because you want recognition, edification, the self adulation of being exceptional.  That is another amazing thing about chess.  It taps into our deep qualities. If you're an egotistical person, it shows. If you're an artist you can see it. If you're a coward, then that shows too. If you're a genius, then that shows. But is dancing only for geniuses? Is music only for Beethoven and Mozart.  If you can play some music reasonably well, and enjoy it immensely, appreciate it immensely, should you be frustrated because you don't approach the level of a Bach or a Beethoven, or even some less talented masters?  I say forget about ratings.  That is my way. See and appreciate the possibilities and richness and music of the game.  Ponder the mysteries. Marvel at the depths and simplicity also. Creativity is a quality you bring to the activity, no matter your skill. Don't torture yourself.  Enjoy yourself! 

 

I'll try to keep that in mind. Thx

IMKeto
MegaGamer15 wrote:

As a beginner, I used to grind chess relentlessly. I played about 5-8 games everyday regardless of result and actually enjoyed the ride. Now though... I find myself actually being scared to play as much rated chess games as I used to. I just usually play against bots (which isn't exactly beneficial) and unrated (where I find myself or/and my opponent not taking the game as serious). I am just locked with this awful mindset: (You worked hard to get those points. You wanna risk giving them away?) I don't want to have this kind of fear looming over me forever and hindering my progress, so I ask of any similar experiences that you could share and some tips I can apply to try and overcome my fear.

That rating youre so worried about?  It is nothing more than an estimate of your last performance.  So of course it is going to go up and down.  You dont think that you actually lost 50 pints of chess ability do you?  Or you suddenly gained 50 points of chess wisdom?

MyNameIsNotBuddy

Well, if you care about your rating on a certain site, then maybe get an account on a new site, play a bunch there, and then come back and play a few games on the site you care about winning on.

MyNameIsNotBuddy

Also, chess.com ratings can be inaccurate.

Dutch_Allday

I SUCK IT UP LIKE A PRO

Marcyful

A current strategy I'm working on is that I'd practice against a bot (usually Antonio) with analysis on to note what kind of blunders I typically make in certain positions, compare said blunders with the best moves according to engine, find the reasoning behind why its the best, and try to apply the logic into my intuition in real live games. It's somewhat working for now.

Marcyful
IMBacon wrote:
MegaGamer15 wrote:

As a beginner, I used to grind chess relentlessly. I played about 5-8 games everyday regardless of result and actually enjoyed the ride. Now though... I find myself actually being scared to play as much rated chess games as I used to. I just usually play against bots (which isn't exactly beneficial) and unrated (where I find myself or/and my opponent not taking the game as serious). I am just locked with this awful mindset: (You worked hard to get those points. You wanna risk giving them away?) I don't want to have this kind of fear looming over me forever and hindering my progress, so I ask of any similar experiences that you could share and some tips I can apply to try and overcome my fear.

That rating youre so worried about?  It is nothing more than an estimate of your last performance.  So of course it is going to go up and down.  You dont think that you actually lost 50 pints of chess ability do you?  Or you suddenly gained 50 points of chess wisdom?

No, its more of "Oh come on! I put a lot of effort into getting those 50 points yesterday. Why did I throw it all away today...?"

ChessDude009

OKay one thing, this always happens to me. What I think in this situation, is that chess is just a game, and elo doesn't matter. If that doesn't work, I just play a game anyway. Because, your rating always goes back to what it should be, eventually.

Marcyful

I view my rating points as more of a reward for the effort I spent to win games rather than how good I actually am at the game. When I get a major tilt and lose like a 100 my brain just goes "All that for nothing?!"

Theprocessoffertilization

You never overcome fear of rating

it consumes you

Marcyful

Oooohhh, spooooky

Marcyful
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:

Also, chess.com ratings can be inaccurate.

Really? How so?

jpaul_lyons

Here is another way to put it:

If you convince yourself that all that matters is how much actual enjoyment there is for you in the game, then your main problem will be how can I enjoy it more?  Maybe you notice at that point that it's not the rating points, but the fact of actually losing because of senseless blunders that is so disturbing.  Stupid senseless moves ruin it.  So you start exploring what can be done to make beautiful, precise, or interesting moves, nice ideas, etc. Then you're studying artistry, or science, or whatever, on the chess board.. its then study in aesthetics, or style, or deep truth, or whatever.. You look at the nice classical games, nice studies, nice puzzles and you're not in a rush, you're not heated... you're really enjoying yourself.

Personally, I never turn on an engine. I'm in no rush. But I studied mathematics for a long time, and that teaches you to be patient with understanding. Time ripens and makes the flowers, grows trees, changes seasons.  Nature never rushes things.

The great poet Rilke once said when asked about training to become a master poet:

"In this there is no measuring with time, a year doesn’t matter, and ten years are nothing. Being an artist means: not numbering and counting, but ripening like a tree, which doesn’t force its sap, and stands confidently in the storms of spring, not afraid that afterward summer may not come. It does come. But it comes only to those who are patient, who are there as if eternity lay before them, so unconcernedly silent and vast. I learn it every day of my life, learn it with pain I am grateful for: patience is everything!”

Marcyful
jpaul_lyons wrote:

Here is another way to put it:

If you convince yourself that all that matters is how much actual enjoyment there is for you in the game, then your main problem will be how can I enjoy it more?  Maybe you notice at that point that it's not the rating points, but the fact of actually losing because of senseless blunders that is so disturbing.  Stupid senseless moves ruin it.  So you start exploring what can be done to make beautiful, precise, or interesting moves, nice ideas, etc. Then you're studying artistry, or science, or whatever, on the chess board.. its then study in aesthetics, or style, or deep truth, or whatever.. You look at the nice classical games, nice studies, nice puzzles and you're not in a rush, you're not heated... you're really enjoying yourself.

Personally, I never turn on an engine. I'm in no rush. But I studied mathematics for a long time, and that teaches you to be patient with understanding. Time ripens and makes the flowers, grows trees, changes seasons.  Nature never rushes things.

The great poet Rilke once said when asked about training to become a master poet:

"In this there is no measuring with time, a year doesn’t matter, and ten years are nothing. Being an artist means: not numbering and counting, but ripening like a tree, which doesn’t force its sap, and stands confidently in the storms of spring, not afraid that afterward summer may not come. It does come. But it comes only to those who are patient, who are there as if eternity lay before them, so unconcernedly silent and vast. I learn it every day of my life, learn it with pain I am grateful for: patience is everything!”

Very well said, fellow chess player

IMKeto
MegaGamer15 wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
MegaGamer15 wrote:

As a beginner, I used to grind chess relentlessly. I played about 5-8 games everyday regardless of result and actually enjoyed the ride. Now though... I find myself actually being scared to play as much rated chess games as I used to. I just usually play against bots (which isn't exactly beneficial) and unrated (where I find myself or/and my opponent not taking the game as serious). I am just locked with this awful mindset: (You worked hard to get those points. You wanna risk giving them away?) I don't want to have this kind of fear looming over me forever and hindering my progress, so I ask of any similar experiences that you could share and some tips I can apply to try and overcome my fear.

That rating youre so worried about?  It is nothing more than an estimate of your last performance.  So of course it is going to go up and down.  You dont think that you actually lost 50 pints of chess ability do you?  Or you suddenly gained 50 points of chess wisdom?

No, its more of "Oh come on! I put a lot of effort into getting those 50 points yesterday. Why did I throw it all away today...?"

Like i said.  All a rating is is an estimate of your most recent performance.  We have good days and we have bad days.  As long as youre improving, or just n it for some fun that is what counts.

MegaCharizardLeo

I don't get why you would be scared of losing rating, especially online rating.

Marcyful
MegaCharizardLeo wrote:

I don't get why you would be scared of losing rating, especially online rating.

It is what it is

IMKeto
MegaCharizardLeo wrote:

I don't get why you would be scared of losing rating, especially online rating.

BINGO! 

The OTB rating i can understand why someone would be caught up in that.  But an online rating???

MegaCharizardLeo
MegaGamer15 wrote:
MegaCharizardLeo wrote:

I don't get why you would be scared of losing rating, especially online rating.

It is what it is

Maybe try ignoring your rating? Rating doesn't matter, the quality of the game you played does.

IMKeto

ON another site my 3/2 blitz rating will fluctuate anywhere from 1400-1900.  Its just an online rating.