Do you mean correspondence games or live games? I rarely offer draws in correspondence games because I usually prefer to play the game out to the end and practice endgames.
Personally, I think that any more than one or maybe two draw offers in a game is probably excessive, but it's hard to give rules of course as it's a matter of judgement. Given that, I don't think there's any need to keep track of the number of offers made IMO.
Disagree with SoP here, in the UK at least and possibly FIDE, it is necessary to denote a draw offer on your scoresheet with an = sign.
Draw offers should definitely be notated by the server, whether it be CC, live, or whatever.
I think multiple draw offers are ok, but each offer only after a substantial change in position from the previous one.
I only offer draw once, and I personally think that it a bad etiquette to keep offering draws. If my offer is declined I just wait for other player to offer a draw. Is it so hard to track it, I dont see that you play so much games to lost track? Maybe you can use the "notes" field for that purpose.
I agree that it would be useful to include draw offers in the chess.com game notation, above all in Online Games. A very common format, as mentioned by marvellosity, is (=) such as in
43.Ra3(=)
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There are several good reasons why it would be useful to do so:
* It has happened to me that during an Online Game, I have overlooked a draw offer by my opponent, because I had made my next move quickly and did not pay attention to the top right of the Online Game page. When afterwards I noticed in my email that my opponent had offered me a draw, I did not know on which move this draw offer had been made.
* It has happened to me that I had no chance to notice a draw offer by my opponent, because this draw offer happened to have made somewhere in the middle of a conditional move sequence. Also in this case, I had no way of seeing on which move the draw offer had been made.
* If I offer a draw in one of my games, I do it once only. In very rare occasions, I offer a draw a second time, which can be in cases when the situation has completely changed since the first draw offer, as mentioned by rooperi above. However, in Online Games, I know that it is possible that in some cases, my opponent has just missed my draw offer. For example, if in response to my draw offer, there is an immediate conditional move, then I might consider to offer a draw again at the end of the conditional move sequence, so that he will be able to see my draw offer. This makes it a bit harder to remember how often I have offered a draw in an Online Game, and thus makes it more useful to be able to see draw offers in the chess.com game notation.
For all of these reasons, I think it is a very useful idea to include draw offers in the chess.com game notation by writing
(=)
after the move with which the draw has been offered.
So I was playing turn-based-3days-per-move, and rated 200 points higher than my opponent. We had one each, opposite colored, bishops, each covering the queening squares for our, one each, pawns. The kings were near the center of the board. I offered draw on each of the next four moves. Bad form on my part?
So I was playing turn-based-3days-per-move, and rated 200 points higher than my opponent. We had one each, opposite colored, bishops, each covering the queening squares for our, one each, pawns. The kings were near the center of the board. I offered draw on each of the next four moves. Bad form on my part?
So, your opponent is about 1700? He should know better.
One draw offer is enough, after that some chat box abuse seems appropriate.
Oops! Thanks, RetGuvvie98.
ilmago's points are good
i'd like to see a reference to draw offers in the score sheet.
I dont know why it didnt occur to me to use the game notes on draw offers , I guess I will use them to keep track until there is another way....... silly me !
the game notes can be helpful, but if you overlook the fact that your opponent offered the draw... game notes do you no good.
Our local chess leagues here have added an extra rule to clarify what can be deemed excessive draw offers...there were examples of people doing this a lot in positions where they were worse and particularly in their opponent's time trouble just to distract.
10.3 A player who has offered a draw shall not, before completing a further six moves be entitled to make another offer. No player shall be entitled to offer more than three draws in any one game.
Hey, RetGuvvie, my friend who has been a TD at chess tournaments, told me what I did is in "bad form" in OTB, but says that online, turn-based chess, is so different with many other variables, that that position would not be considered rude or bad form at all. He's right, I think.
tryst, I would perceive four draw offers in a row to be unusual also in Online Games. Depending on the circumstances, some might be reacting by saying something like "Hey, I have seen your draw offer, I would like to play on a little, please stop making these draw offers", or some might even be thinking "this seems to be really a beginner, I am not sure if I would wish to play a second game with him after that one."
tryst, I would perceive four draw offers in a row to be unusual also in Online Games. Depending on the circumstances, some might be reacting by saying something like "Hey, I have seen your draw offer, I would like to play on a little, please stop making these draw offers", or some might even be thinking "this seems to be really a beginner, I am not sure if I would wish to play a second game with him after that one."
Perhaps you're right(I am so indecisive today). Four draw offers in a row...hmmm... I guess that could be taken as an affront. After all, the opponent has the right to play to mate. But, at the same time...no...skip it. I was a jerk
I dont like to offer too many draws during a game and dont like for my opponent to make too many offers either, as they are annoying. When I play here though I often find that I dont know how many offers I may have made in a particular game because track isnt kept of draw offers. Would this be difficult for chess.com to implement ?