How many people think that; Chess is just a Total Waste of Time in Life!

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Tilder4

no,it's not a waste of time, it's a hobby

dokerbohm

a what is a hobby -- but a time filling device because what you do(work) is a waste of time- if you are one of the lucky ones and have a job that you could die doing till the end - then you don't need chess unless chess is what you do and you could die doing it till the end  

DrSpudnik

Time I spend at work is a waste of my time. I don't really care at all about it but it pays money so I can keep doing the things I want to do, like play chess.

Mike_Kalish
DrSpudnik wrote:

Time I spend at work is a waste of my time. I don't really care at all about it but it pays money so I can keep doing the things I want to do, like play chess.

I would say it's not a waste of time. Work is how you pay society back for providing you the necessities of life. You don't have to care about it, or even be "fulfilled" by it. You work to provide for yourself and your family. That's hardly a waste of time. At least that's how I see it.

BlueHen86

If you enjoy it, it's not a waste of time.

DrSpudnik
Mike_Kalish wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

Time I spend at work is a waste of my time. I don't really care at all about it but it pays money so I can keep doing the things I want to do, like play chess.

I would say it's not a waste of time. Work is how you pay society back for providing you the necessities of life. You don't have to care about it, or even be "fulfilled" by it. You work to provide for yourself and your family. That's hardly a waste of time. At least that's how I see it.

Work is about alienation and exploitation. It is not how people pay society back for anything. You can believe this garbage if you want, but I'm not buying it. 

JohnNapierSanDiego
easytarget wrote:
The unstated premise of this thread is that you’re only supposed to be productive. This is great propaganda benefiting corporations and the rich. Because it means you don’t have to keep the serfs down as they’ll gladly do it for you themselves.

 

This is a great point to make and I'm glad you wrote it.

 

In America, especially, we're expected to live and work as wage slaves, and anything that isn't that, is told to us to often be a waste of time.

JohnNapierSanDiego
Mike_Kalish wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

Time I spend at work is a waste of my time. I don't really care at all about it but it pays money so I can keep doing the things I want to do, like play chess.

I would say it's not a waste of time. Work is how you pay society back for providing you the necessities of life. You don't have to care about it, or even be "fulfilled" by it. You work to provide for yourself and your family. That's hardly a waste of time. At least that's how I see it.

 

You sound brainwashed.

 

Yes, work is necessary, but it's not supposed to be 40 hours a week.  It was NEVER suppose to stay 40 hours a week.  The idea, from *a long time ago* is that automation would come along, and human beings, from MY generation, and the next, and even the previous -  would all have it easier and NOT have to dedicate so much time to work just to SURVIVE.

However, very sadly, it's been accepted now as "just the way it is".

 

We could all easily get by with 10-20 hours of work a week... Yes it means billionaires and CEOs have to take paycuts to make up for it.  But you know something?  It's incredible to me how many poor people are more than happy to keep the rich rich... 

 

This is why I don't like your post or your argument.  You're a good of example of someone who has just "accepted" it and can't imagine it any other way.  Hey, at the very least, you SHOULD imagine it.

Mike_Kalish
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:
 

 

You sound brainwashed.

 

Yes, work is necessary, but it's not supposed to be 40 hours a week.  It was NEVER suppose to stay 40 hours a week.  The idea, from *a long time ago* is that automation would come along, and human beings, from MY generation, and the next, and even the previous -  would all have it easier and NOT have to dedicate so much time to work just to SURVIVE.

However, very sadly, it's been accepted now as "just the way it is".

 

We could all easily get by with 10-20 hours of work a week... Yes it means billionaires and CEOs have to take paycuts to make up for it.  But you know something?  It's incredible to me how many poor people are more than happy to keep the rich rich... 

 

This is why I don't like your post or your argument.  You're a good of example of someone who has just "accepted" it and can't imagine it any other way.  Hey, at the very least, you SHOULD imagine it.

You have a lot of growing up to do. I hope you start soon.

Mike_Kalish
DrSpudnik wrote:
 

Work is about alienation and exploitation. It is not how people pay society back for anything. You can believe this garbage if you want, but I'm not buying it. 

I'm guessing that your "knowledge" of work did not come through experience. 

Mike_Kalish
Optimissed wrote:

This is an interesting disagreement. They probably won't lock the thread if tempers are kept and nothing is too explicit. It's interesting partly because there's a lot that's unspoken. Maybe having a regular routine is good for people and that routine needs to be forced upon many people? It isn't impossible. I don't know where I fit into the argument. I've never liked to work for others and always tended to avoid it. Others like it.

If you look throughout nature, what you see is that animals work. They hunt, they build nests or lairs, they raise young......different species do different kinds of work to survive. Vegetables don't work. They are passive and soak up resources. 
Based on my observations, some humans seem to identify as vegetables. 

Mike_Kalish

I worked my entire life and was never unemployed for a day until I retired at 66. Some days work made me happy and some days it made me miserable. But work gave me the satisfaction of carrying my weight...doing my part. That need was in me from birth. 
I have serious questions about people who seem content to spend their days playing video games or doing nothing, living off the efforts of others. 

MrOkapi
Mike_Kalish wrote:

I worked my entire life and was never unemployed for a day until I retired at 66. Some days work made me happy and some days it made me miserable. But work gave me the satisfaction of carrying my weight...doing my part. That need was in me from birth. 
I have serious questions about people who seem content to spend their days playing video games or doing nothing, living off the efforts of others. 

 

Socrates calls this the "Noble Lie".  While I think it makes a good personal philosophy towards life, and one which I agree with as a form of altruism towards society, it is also used by managers to motivate and control their employees for selfish reasons causing an understandably strongly negative reaction in some people.

Mike_Kalish
MrOkapi wrote:
Mike_Kalish wrote:

I worked my entire life and was never unemployed for a day until I retired at 66. Some days work made me happy and some days it made me miserable. But work gave me the satisfaction of carrying my weight...doing my part. That need was in me from birth. 
I have serious questions about people who seem content to spend their days playing video games or doing nothing, living off the efforts of others. 

 

Socrates calls this the "Noble Lie".  While I think it makes a good personal philosophy towards life, and one which I agree with as a form of altruism towards society, it is also used by managers to motivate and control their employees for selfish reasons causing an understandably strongly negative reaction in some people.

And your point? Yes, humans are flawed and will misuse authority and power. That's not exactly news. That's why we have a  society where you are free to quit your job if you don't like the way you are treated. In some societies, you are indentured and have no choice. A free society where people can choose their employment and employers can hire and fire at will is not a perfect arrangement, but it is as good as it gets. Anything else is worse. 
And my attitude is not "altruistic". It's grounded in hard reality. If people don't work, there is no food, no transportation, no buildings, no nothing. 

One of the problems with the younger generations is that they have lost the connection between compensation and productivity. They think they should be paid because they exist, or because they show up, or because someone else is getting paid "so it's only fair" that they get paid too. They don't see that they are only worth what they produce and that pay is not a right...it's compensation for productivity. 

And you would do well to rethink selfishness. Selfishness is the primary motive behind everything. It's why we do what we do....to improve our circumstances. You should listen to some of Milton Friedman's lectures. You would learn something. 

DrSpudnik
Mike_Kalish wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
 

Work is about alienation and exploitation. It is not how people pay society back for anything. You can believe this garbage if you want, but I'm not buying it. 

I'm guessing that your "knowledge" of work did not come through experience. 

My knowledge of work comes 100% from experience. Try not to be so condescending toward everyone and maybe you'll be a slightly less insufferable know-it-all.

JohnNapierSanDiego
Mike_Kalish wrote:
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:
 

 

You sound brainwashed.

 

Yes, work is necessary, but it's not supposed to be 40 hours a week.  It was NEVER suppose to stay 40 hours a week.  The idea, from *a long time ago* is that automation would come along, and human beings, from MY generation, and the next, and even the previous -  would all have it easier and NOT have to dedicate so much time to work just to SURVIVE.

However, very sadly, it's been accepted now as "just the way it is".

 

We could all easily get by with 10-20 hours of work a week... Yes it means billionaires and CEOs have to take paycuts to make up for it.  But you know something?  It's incredible to me how many poor people are more than happy to keep the rich rich... 

 

This is why I don't like your post or your argument.  You're a good of example of someone who has just "accepted" it and can't imagine it any other way.  Hey, at the very least, you SHOULD imagine it.

You have a lot of growing up to do. I hope you start soon.

 

Considering how old you are, and that you still think like a naive child, I would say the same.

I mean, weren't you the one who resorted to insults?  Telling me to grow up?  I didn't insult you.

 

You're like one of many people who have no argument and you're probably embarrassed you've willingly served as such a puppet most of your life...  So you fall back on cliches like telling people to "grow up".  

 

And I agree with another poster... Your idea of having to work to "give back to society" makes you sound totally brainwashed and I'm not buying it either.   This is the problem with your generation - you were indoctrinated hardcore at a young age... Whereas the younger generation is questioning things a lot more.  Thank god for that.

JohnNapierSanDiego
DrSpudnik wrote:
Mike_Kalish wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
 

Work is about alienation and exploitation. It is not how people pay society back for anything. You can believe this garbage if you want, but I'm not buying it. 

I'm guessing that your "knowledge" of work did not come through experience. 

My knowledge of work comes 100% from experience. Try not to be so condescending toward everyone and maybe you'll be a slightly less insufferable know-it-all.

 

No kidding.  You nailed it.

KZforever
Optimissed wrote:

Nobody in their right minds would suggest that the Industrial Revolution, which happened in England, made the majority of people happy.

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The Industrial Revolution brought us cars, motorbikes, etc. Which have brought me immense happiness.

motherinlaw

Does anybody know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? (precision not required - an estimate's fine)

DrSpudnik
motherinlaw wrote:

Does anybody know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? (precision not required - an estimate's fine)

Trick question. We all know angels don't dance.