How-To-Grandmaster - Chess Forums - Page 2

Squad64

Sep 18, 2018

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#21

IcyAvaleigh wrote:

don't think about becoming a grandmaster, just enjoy your chess games and try to have fun around :)

IcyAvaleigh wrote: don't think about becoming a grandmaster, just enjoy your chess games and try to have fun around :) The later part is always there :)

Squad64

Sep 18, 2018

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#22

DeirdreSkye wrote:

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Squad64 wrote:

I'll keep this post updated once in two months with the rating on here.

Your online blitz rating will not help you reach GM. In fact, it is more likely to hurt your chances of ever accomplishing that.

Indeed , that's already a bad start as improvement in on line blitz doesn't always correlate with improvement in OTB. You need to play real tournaments and compare your progress with real rating.

It's just a reference scale to track the progress.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#23

BobbyTalparov wrote:

DeirdreSkye wrote:

The problem with adults trying to be GMs is that they have no idea where they are getting into. You think you will be GM by playing on line blitz. It will never happen. I will be very surprised if you ever reach 2000(on line , not real).

To be fair, I have no doubt he could reach 2100+ in online blitz without improving at all. I have seem 1200's do so (without assistance) simply by playing 3+0, moving quickly, and winning on time in lost positions quite often. It is one of the reasons I agree with the suggestion that someone had a while back that no-increment games should be a different rating category.

Everyone who plays 3/0 past the beginner level is moving quickly to win on time in lost positions.

I mean, if a 1000 rated player believed that's all it took to be 2100+ in blitz I might not say anything, but you've played a fair number of games here and don't have a beginner rating, so I feel like you should know better.

Tricks related to speed, like premove craziness at the end of a game, is worth about 100-200 rating points... not 1000 rating points lol.

IMKeto

Sep 18, 2018

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#24

Squad64 wrote:

Okay this is a serious question. I am a beginner in chess and 30 years old. Recently, I gained some interest in the game and thinking of becoming a grandmaster. I have some plans of my own to reach there. My question is, how long do you think it will take me to reach there? (To all the pessimists, I know I will become a grandmaster. The question is only about "when")

A member for 15 days...played nothing but blitz, and bullet...Youre on youre way to GM!

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#25

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

Everyone who plays 3/0 past the beginner level is moving quickly to win on time in lost positions.

I mean, if a 1000 rated player believed that's all it took to be 2100+ in blitz I might not say anything, but you've played a fair number of games here and don't have a beginner rating, so I feel like you should know better.

Tricks related to speed, like premove craziness at the end of a game, is worth about 100-200 rating points... not 1000 rating points lol.

I'm not sure I understand your confusion. I was stating that I have seen players who I know to be 1200 USCF OTB achieve 2100 online blitz ratings on this site. When you look at their history, they are playing a lot of 3+0 games. You might think they are getting some outside assistance, but when you look at the quality of their games, you see that it is obvious they are not. This is not me believing in something that I have witnessed. This is me giving you first-hand accounts of what I have seen.

But on a different note, welcome back @Preggo_Bashashi.

It is impossible for a 1200 player to be 2100 blitz... maybe if they have no lag and are playing someone with 5000 ms ping

Unless you're like that guy whose username is myuscfis1563.

Sure his USCF may be 15xx, but if so it's only because he's massively underrated, so his OTB rating is meaningless.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#26

BobbyTalparov wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your confusion.

Always trying to be cute. Ok, I can do that too.

I'm not sure I understand the deleterious side effects of your medication, because a person would have to be some kind of idiot to think what you're suggesting is possible.

So feel free to give me a chess.com user name and USCF ID number so I can check... that or call your doctor.

IMKeto

Sep 18, 2018

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#27

Farm_Hand wrote:

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

Everyone who plays 3/0 past the beginner level is moving quickly to win on time in lost positions.

I mean, if a 1000 rated player believed that's all it took to be 2100+ in blitz I might not say anything, but you've played a fair number of games here and don't have a beginner rating, so I feel like you should know better.

Tricks related to speed, like premove craziness at the end of a game, is worth about 100-200 rating points... not 1000 rating points lol.

I'm not sure I understand your confusion. I was stating that I have seen players who I know to be 1200 USCF OTB achieve 2100 online blitz ratings on this site. When you look at their history, they are playing a lot of 3+0 games. You might think they are getting some outside assistance, but when you look at the quality of their games, you see that it is obvious they are not. This is not me believing in something that I have witnessed. This is me giving you first-hand accounts of what I have seen.

But on a different note, welcome back @Preggo_Bashashi.

It is impossible for a 1200 player to be 2100 blitz... maybe if they have no lag and are playing someone with 5000 ms ping

Unless you're like that guy whose username is myuscfis1563.

Sure his USCF may be 15xx, but if so it's only because he's massively underrated, so his OTB rating is meaningless.

"Myratingis1523" and has been busted multiple times for cheating.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#28

IMBacon wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

Everyone who plays 3/0 past the beginner level is moving quickly to win on time in lost positions.

I mean, if a 1000 rated player believed that's all it took to be 2100+ in blitz I might not say anything, but you've played a fair number of games here and don't have a beginner rating, so I feel like you should know better.

Tricks related to speed, like premove craziness at the end of a game, is worth about 100-200 rating points... not 1000 rating points lol.

I'm not sure I understand your confusion. I was stating that I have seen players who I know to be 1200 USCF OTB achieve 2100 online blitz ratings on this site. When you look at their history, they are playing a lot of 3+0 games. You might think they are getting some outside assistance, but when you look at the quality of their games, you see that it is obvious they are not. This is not me believing in something that I have witnessed. This is me giving you first-hand accounts of what I have seen.

But on a different note, welcome back @Preggo_Bashashi.

It is impossible for a 1200 player to be 2100 blitz... maybe if they have no lag and are playing someone with 5000 ms ping

Unless you're like that guy whose username is myuscfis1563.

Sure his USCF may be 15xx, but if so it's only because he's massively underrated, so his OTB rating is meaningless.

"Myratingis1523" and has been busted multiple times for cheating.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#29

Anyway, I'll say what I've said in the past any time a dork says premoving = 1000 rating points (or more) in speed games.

Fine.

I challenge you to gain half that by playing and premoving RIGHT NOW.

Gain 500 points right now or shutup lol

(or give me the username + USCF ID number of the people you know who have done this... I sure hope they're active both OTB and online. You know, none of that 5 games played crap. Otherwise you'll look like a huge idiot)

Squad64

Sep 18, 2018

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#30

One can get better adapted to a certain format but that doesn't mean their rating in that format is unrelated to their strength. There is certain correlation between a player's strength and whatever format they play.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#31

BobbyTalparov wrote:

That was me truly not understanding how you do not get the concept that online ratings, especially those in the non-increment time controls, are complete nonsense

Ok, but you and @deirdreskye are incorrect. Skill in speed chess and OTB tournament chess are very much related.

And no, there are no 1200 USCF players who are 2000 or 2100 or whatever in chess.com blitz (none that play regularly in both which means none that have accurate ratings).

Although yes, blitz / bullet specialists can pump up their speed rating a few 100 points.

No, it's not as simple as playing bad moves quickly... that's completely silly.

Farm_Hand

Sep 18, 2018

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#32

Squad64 wrote:

One can get better adapted to a certain format but that doesn't mean their rating in that format is unrelated to their strength. There is certain correlation between a player's strength and whatever format they play.

Playing strong players in tournaments helps you improve.

Playing online speed chess is just for fun.

Yes you can improve doing either, but the effectiveness is not comparable. If you actually want to be a GM you'll have to play a lot of tournament chess. The sooner and more often you play OTB, the better.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#33

I played a guy some blitz games OTB, face to face.

His USCF rating was 800.

First game in 10 seconds we've played about 15 moves of theory in a main line Spanish... so of course, because I'm not a total idiot, I realize right away he's underrated. We play maybe 5 games. He won 1.

He enters the tournament that was being held that day in the U1800. IIRC he won all his games facing a few 1600s and one 1700 in the last round (he may have drawn the last game). So I ask him about it at the end of the day and he says he got his 800 rating when he was something like 9 years old, then hadn't played OTB for 10 years, but had been gaining strength online and with books.

Is that eating crow? Or is it just not being an idiot and realizing people like this exist? Come on, be serious.

But I agree weak players can pump up their online speed ratings... not 1000 points, but a few 100. As super GM Svidler put it once in one of the banter blitz videos, "blitz is almost like an art form" he was talking about playing into positions that are easier for you, or like you said playing decent moves (not great moves) quickly. He was coaching his audience to not go for the art side of it (so to speak), and if they want to really improve then play blitz as if it's a "real" game.

IMKeto

Sep 19, 2018

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#34

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

As super GM Svidler put it once in one of the banter blitz videos, "blitz is almost like an art form" he was talking about playing into positions that are easier for you, or like you said playing decent moves (not great moves) quickly. He was coaching his audience to not go for the art side of it (so to speak), and if they want to really improve then play blitz as if it's a "real" game.

And this gets to the point I was trying to make before you got lost in the forest looking at the trees.

It is possible to improve very little (if at all) while having an "improving" online blitz rating. If your goal is to actually improve (and going from beginner to GM would mean the goal is to improve a lot!), pumping up your online blitz rating is counter-productive.

My former coach IM Valeri Lilov (Tigerlilov on chess,com) had this to say about playing blitz/bullet when trying to study and improve. This advice is for the scrub like me, not established titled players obviously. He said that playing "a few" games a day is fine.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#35

I keep going back to it because you keep overstating your case. Like how 1200 players can be over 2000 or how online ratings and OTB ratings are unrelated. Or how improving online is counter productive to "real" improvement.

All of those statements have some truth to them, but they're also exaggerations. Maybe you know that, and maybe you expect your audience to know that, but if the OP is new to chess they can misunderstand.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#36

DeirdreSkye wrote:

OTB rating and online blitz rating are unrelated because there is no specific correlation formula.

All you'd need is data, and you could make a reliable one easily. That's how correlations work. It doesn't have to be 1 to 1 to exist. It's more like X online means + or - 200 with a certain level of certainty (like 90%).

For example get 1000 people who play both OTB and online regularly to report their ratings. The how is easy, but the process would be tedious.

As for the rest of your post, sure, we had a family come to the club recently, and the dad is asking the best way for his beginner sons to learn (they already had the massive Polgar book and were doing puzzles out of it daily). I told him that's a good start and they should also go to as many tournaments as possible. And ideally they should be able to play over a GM game each day on a board just using the notation. I didn't mention anything about online chess.

In extreme cases you get people like the guy you described. A blitz specialist who struggles OTB. I went through the same sort of difficulty as a ~1500 online player going to tournaments struggling to be USCF 1300. This was over 10 years ago.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#37

DeirdreSkye wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

DeirdreSkye wrote:

OTB rating and online blitz rating are unrelated because there is no specific correlation formula.

All you'd need is data, and you could make a reliable one easily. That's how correlations work. It doesn't have to be 1 to 1 to exist. It's more like X online means + or - 200 with a certain level of certainty (like 90%).

Actually the formula you give is extreme case.

A player that has 1500 online might indeed be 1300 or 1400 or even 1500 OTB.

But a player that has 2200 online and has never played OTB will never be 2000 OTB. He will most likely be 1600 or lower(and it's impossible to tell ghow much lower).

That is the case sometimes even with players that play OTB

There was the case of an FM(now IM) that was 3419 in online blitz(ICC) when he was around 2400 in OTB(1000 points lower!).

Your formula is destined to fail in most of the cases of high rated on line players while it will be confirmed only in low ratings.

It's not an actual formula it's an example...

People who argue no correlation don't know what the word correlation means. I don't know what else to say.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#38

BobbyTalparov wrote:

Farm_Hand wrote:

I keep going back to it because you keep overstating your case.

Like I said, getting lost in the forest looking at the trees ...

Farm_Hand wrote:

Like how 1200 players can be over 2000

This is an example of "I have never seen it, therefore it is impossible!" I have seen it, and I pointed you to where you can go to see it yourself, and your response was "well, that just means they were underrated ...." But like I said, I'm not going to out minors to prove the point, so I'll leave it like any strongly held religious conviction: believe what you want to believe.

Farm_Hand wrote:

how online ratings and OTB ratings are unrelated.

I already explained how they are related, but again, believe what you want to believe.

Farm_Hand wrote:

Or how improving online is counter productive to "real" improvement..

I like how you twisted what I said to the point where the meaning is nowhere near what I actually said! You must be a politician in training ...

What I actually said was that you can improve your online blitz rating without actually improving in chess. Don't believe me? Watch any of these kids who play 100 blitz games a day when they go play in an real OTB tournament with long time controls. If they never learned a proper thinking process, they spend next to no time analyzing their moves and are usually dead lost with almost their entire time remaining. It happens all the time!

Farm_Hand wrote:

All of those statements have some truth to them, but they're also exaggerations. Maybe you know that, and maybe you expect your audience to know that, but if the OP is new to chess they can misunderstand.

You are trying to generalize and twist specific points I made so you can call them exaggerations. That is one hell of a way to create strawman arguments. Perhaps you knew that ...

Ugh, I'm getting tired of coming to this topic and arguing.

No, you have not seen 1200s who are 2000... it's like that stupid endless topic about a 1300 vs a 2700. If either don't have accurate ratings then there's no point. You're basically saying a 1200 can be 2000 when the 1200 is not really 1200. It's a silly argument.

You take outliers or an extreme case (like a kid who plays 100 blitz games a day and no long games) and argue that in some cases you can improve in blitz without improving OTB. Sure. In extreme cases, and only a few 100 points... I don't know why this is worth mentioning. In 99% of cases you're still going to be improving e.g. openings and tactics by playing blitz... not if you're playing 100 a day for years as if it's a video game, but again this is an extreme case.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#39

For example this kid, who is probably a teen or young adult now

@kacparov

At one time he was playing something absurd like 1000 daily games at the same time. Of course playing them in bullet mode. He also played bullet and blitz games.

But he gained 100s of points a year and now he's an IM.

Farm_Hand

Sep 19, 2018

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#40

BobbyTalparov wrote:

You are trying to generalize and twist specific points I made so you can call them exaggerations.

Well there's so much said on this topic that I disagree with I guess I was confusing you with someone else.

Lets go back to what you said at the beginning.

BobbyTalparov wrote:

I have no doubt he could reach 2100+ in online blitz without improving at all.

My response: you're wrong.