Reb wrote:
Never dumb Lola ! Mistaken perhaps but never dumb .
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How to play this position?
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Mar 11, 2015
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#23
Reb wrote:
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:
Reb wrote:
There are a few ways to continue for black from the diagram position but one of the most common is for black to play ... Re8 followed by Ne4 , another possibility is ... Nh5 and trading the dark squared bishops .... Ng4 fails to do this because white can play Bf4 , keeping the bishops on and the N/g4 will be misplaced and lose time later ...
Well done Reb..
... but whats wrong with the simple h6?
Nothing wrong with it , its certainly an option for black as well . I am just always very hesitant to move pawns near my king unless forced to ...
I've just learnt something. Thnx Reb :)
No wonder i've been losing games with h6. It usually ends up with an all out K side attack from white :(
Mar 11, 2015
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#24
Good way to play here is plan with Re8 -> Nf8 -> Ng6 and h6 at some point.
White will play minority attack on queenside or f3 -> e4. In both cases you dont move queenside pawns.
N.
fine play h5 instead (just kidding)
SKRCP wrote:
This is a position we get in Queen's gambit declined game.
How to play this position from black side? Please someone tell me.
Things to see in the position:
Pawn Structure - Semi-open game. White: Queenside Minority Attack, e3-e4 break. Black: e4 outpost, kingside attack.
Pawn Chain - Blacks pawn chain on b7-d5 points to the kingside, so ypour play will be on the kingside. Whites pawn chain on f2-d4 points to th queenside, so whites play will be on the queenside.
Some ideas for black:
As reb pointed out Ne4 - nicely centralized knight. I dont think it matters move order wise between Ne4, or Re8, unless reb sees something i dont.
1...Ne4 2.Be7 Qe7, and back has the centralized knight, andsemi-open e-file. White will castle, and can play for a minority attack on the queenside with a4.
Mar 11, 2015
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#28
skotheim2 wrote:
fine play h5 instead (just kidding)
I knew you were kidding :)
Dammmit...
I wasted 5 minutes looking for that variation :(
How would trading Be7 by moving Nh5 help Black? All I can see is that my Knight goes to an awkward square and after Re1 e4 looks very good for White. So please explain.
Someone suggested b6 a5 and then trading light square bishops by Ba6. But B*Ba6 Moves my Rook into Not so good a6 square and also creates weaknesses on c6 and b6. So how do you say that is good? Please explain.
SKRCP wrote:
How would trading Be7 by moving Nh5 help Black? All I can see is that my Knight goes to an awkward square and after Re1 e4 looks very good for White. So please explain.
Someone suggested b6 a5 and then trading light square bishops by Ba6. But B*Ba6 Moves my Rook into Not so good a6 square and also creates weaknesses on c6 and b6. So how do you say that is good? Please explain.
In this position white has a space advantage , trading the dark squared bishops reduces the influence of that space advantage and reduces the attacking units white can direct against the BK . When you have less space its normally desirable to trade some pieces as that usually reduces the impact/advantage that a space advantage entails . As for the awkward N/h5 ( I agree ) this manuever is common in this variation and there are two popular ways to deal with the N/h5 . 1 ) simply return it to f6 and 2) play g6 (protecting it ) I have tried both plans as black with mixed results . I think the strongest move in the OP diagramed position is the immediate ... Ne4 .
Thanks for your feedback.
If I play Ne4 and he plays Qc2 or 0-0 then after that should I play Ndf6 or f5 Ndf6? f5 blockades my c8 Bishop but looks good for launching king side attack as I have space in kingside. Also Nf6 allows White to do Ne5 followed by f4 and position seems very complicated. I often get this position and I am always uncertain about dealing that position. Please help.
is there any good videos on normal d4 variations? (white ideas against black counters)