Of course he can't do that - it puts the queen in check.
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If i lose my queen I still play on who knows that person might blunder their queen . I have won games where this has happened or if I did not win it made me a better player.
Apr 21, 2014
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#24
achja wrote:
Hi MervynS,
First of all, to become a stronger chess player, you should know that losing the exchange is not the end of the world.
Yeah, but I dropped my queen, not the exchange. Besides 12. Nd4, moving my rook on e1 would have also allowed me to play on. I didn't notice that my bishop pointing at black's queen meant that 12. Nd4 would have worked.
Turns out Stockfish was showing four other variations besides 12. Nd4 where white has an advantage showing at least +3.00 for white. Goes to show how poor my chess play is. Heck, 12. Nd3 Nxc2 13. Qa2 Nxc1 where I lose the exchange is also showing +3.75 for white...
I personally prefer to throw things for a little while when I lose a pawn or whatever
Benedictine wrote:
What makes masters stronger than the average club player like me is not only more knowledge (openings, endgames, tactical patterns, strategical ideas, etc) and not only the ability to calculate more deeply, more quickly and more efficiently; not just a better board vision. It is also psychological aspects such as this.
I think this is absolutely true and often overlooked or under-appreciated. Not just the masters too, but being able to hold confidence at the board and hold your nerve must also be worth a lot of rating points. It is difficult I imagine to train for this sort of thing though, maybe only personality and familiarity can help you out in this area.
I'm finding experience is doing a lot to improve my psychology during play.
For me, at one time, the following 3 things would make me consider resigning:
1. Loss of my queen. Now I only resign after losing my queen if it is late in the game and her % of my total strenght is most of my strength on the board.
2. Losing the exchange. Even now, I still struggle with it. But I have learned some techniques for dealing with this imbalance.
3. Having my position scrambled during the opening by an efficient attacking player. This one used to drive me crazy. My opponent with just a queen and knight would come in and pulverize my position leaving me with misplaced pieces, doubled pawns and a king that cannot castle. Now, I have learned about open lines and the amount of material it actually takes to check your king during or near an opening.
I also have to say that learning these things have helped me understand losing a lot more.
I hardly ever feel angry or disappointed anymore when I lose. Before, I would often pound my hands on my desk. I still feel annoyed, but I think that's perfectly natural. It is that type of feeling that can really push you to look at your mistakes and make constructive evaluations of them.
erik wrote:
disappointment of losing comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the human mind.
first, there is no such thing as doing the "wrong" thing. everyone does what they think is the "best" thing at the moment of doing it. it's impossible for humans to not do what we think is best in the moment. it's only hind-sight and the belief that somehow we could have done things differently that makes us have regret. once you understand that you cannot change the past, and that there was no way, at the time of action, to have made any other choice, then you will realize that there is no such thing as a "mistake". if you would have known it was a mistake, you wouldn't have done it. every time you play a chess move, you do it thinking it is the best possible move given your state of mind and evaluation at that moment.
the other problem is that we tell ourselves that we could have possibly known better or done something better before making that move. technically we could have, but in reality, we didn't. and we didn't, because we didn't think we could. so again, it's a false perception.
the best thing to do is to realize that there are no mistakes, only inputs for our future actions. therefore "mistakes" are just learning for the future.
enjoy them.
I'm afraid I simply cannot accept that there is no such thing as a mistake. The fact that we think that an action we take is the best action at the time of doing it, does not mean that action is not a mistake. We all make mistakes all the time because it is part of the human condition. Further, it is not true to say that it is not possible to have acted differently, when we review our actions. It is always possible to have acted differently, if a choice was there.
As for the psychological effects of our errors, people are competitive and aggressive, whether they realise it or not. It will always be upsetting to a greater or lesser degree to err and lose. In my case, it is all too strong an emotion.
Apr 21, 2014
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In the Canadian Open in Montreal, I saw a guy kick his opponent right in the balls (and then run away) after blundering his Queen.
Chess for MEN!
Apr 21, 2014
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blueemu wrote:
In the Canadian Open in Montreal, I saw a guy kick his opponent right in the balls (and then run away) blundering his Queen.
Chess for MEN!
Was that this year? Would this guy have kicked his opponent if it was a little kid (some of them are really strong players) or a woman?
Of course, the Canadian Open would have all of this guy's information to report him to the police...guess the pride and hormones overrides reason.
Apr 21, 2014
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#30
No, it was back in the seventies... the year Larsen, Lyuboyevic and Hort played in it.
The guy got arrested, yes.
Make a new plan and play aggressive. 
Works everytime. ")
Apr 21, 2014
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Alpenschach wrote:
erik, Thanks for the input! I think I understand what you are saying, but for me it just doesn't always feel like it....
Can you blunder your queen without showing the slightest reaction? Can you not lose a second on the clock and just go on as if all was well? How?
everything that think and feel is a function of the stories you tell yourself in your mind. change the story you tell, you will change how you feel. work on your stories. tell yourself "that is a wonderful learning moment!!"
Apr 21, 2014
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#34
erik wrote:
everything that think and feel is a function of the stories you tell yourself in your mind. change the story you tell, you will change how you feel. work on your stories. tell yourself "that is a wonderful learning moment!!"
Reminds me of my favorite painting by Magritte. Take a close look at it.
Did someone give you a bunch of self help books for your birthday, Erik?
Well you got Erik's attention. 2 post in the same thread. Give him a few more bread crumbs.
achja wrote:
johnyoudell wrote:
Did someone give you a bunch of self help books for your birthday, Erik?
johnyoudell,
looking at your very brief and superficial and non constructive comments in various threads here it seems to me that you could help yourself and the rest of the world by reading some of these self help books yourself
Do it ! Do it now !
I don't know anything about JohnyOudell's history here.
But when Erik made that post, I had a similar thought: Sounds like some kind of new age, deny-reality, emotion avoidance motivational drivel.
You know the old saying "One man's phiolosphy is another mans new age, deny-reality, emotion avoidance motivational drivel."
To relieve stress, either exercise rigorously or go into a closet and scream big time?
Yeah, sure. That's fine.
I didn't really have a problem with it. We all need guidance in our lives sometimes.
What makes masters stronger than the average club player like me is not only more knowledge (openings, endgames, tactical patterns, strategical ideas, etc) and not only the ability to calculate more deeply, more quickly and more efficiently; not just a better board vision. It is also psychological aspects such as this.
I think this is absolutely true and often overlooked or under-appreciated. Not just the masters too, but being able to hold confidence at the board and hold your nerve must also be worth a lot of rating points. It is difficult I imagine to train for this sort of thing though, maybe only personality and familiarity can help you out in this area.
As for the question, I think you just have to put it behind you and play on. Really you should just think 'sod it'. I think that is the best attitude really if you can pull it off.