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I feel bad for the people of planet Earth - they've never had a galactic chess champion :(

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Nationality is meaningless on a deep enough level.  Nations are only recognized by the executive functioning parts of our brain, not the deep tribal loyalty reptilian parts.  People are loyal to their own tribes and studies confirmed that there is no "true" altruism but selflessness is naturally selected to promote one's genetic heritage.  People are more likely to be altruistic to their own group, explaining why rich politicians serve other rich people and not the rest of America. 

 

This executive function/reptilian brain segregation is also why people roll their eyes whenever people use the term "Americans" or "we're all American citizens" since it oversimplifies and disrespects the fact that America is composed of many different cultures and the fact that people are loyal to them.  It's also why America feels like it may as well be run by aliens with alien values, the owning class culture and working class culture are vastly different.  Even the English spoken by the two metagroups is different.  This is why America feels like a place where everyone fights for their group's interests instead of the nation as a whole, other kinds of Americans aren't "really" recognized as their Americans. 

 

There were even laws written in the South saying blacks had to give whites unwarranted respect, like giving up your seat for a white on the bus (what did that white even do to deserve such respect anyway?)  People would say blacks are rude but if a group is morally excluded, even by law.  You're giving them a right to be a... "jerk" since in all probability they'll be "disrespecting" a racist jerk who thinks they're less than them anyway.  Moral exclusion is rooted in viewing others as the "other" and not worthy of the same kind of basic respect members of your group are.  People treat you differently based on how you dress or speak. 

When writing bad guys who are royalty an excellent way to do so is having them insist upon being called your highness or majesty if someone forgets to use such honorifics.  The Princess of Druidia in Spaceballs was just a snob so there are exceptions to the bad guy rule however, but works very well to make the character less likeable. 

Ziryab
MindControl116 wrote:
Synaphai escribió:
Conquistador wrote:

Looks like I am the only real American here because Booby Fischer obviously immigrated from Israel.

First of all, his name was "Bobby", not "Booby". Secondly, Fischer was born in 1943, before the foundation of the State of Israel. Try again, dumbass.

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

That figure should be 98%

Ziryab
Mozekgames wrote:
MindControl116 wrote:

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

 

Please do define what you mean as native American. Because if the criteria is that you were here originally its been proven with DNA tests that Native Americans (which I assume are those people that the US government has defined as such) are of Asian decent. So they immigrated here as well (most likely when there was an ice or land bridge) just long before others did.  So your idea of Native needs to be clarified.  IMO its just a polical game. I can not think of one single country in the world that is populated by "natives" by the definition you are suggesting.

Perhaps Ethiopia.

MindControl116
Ziryab escribió:
Mozekgames wrote:
MindControl116 wrote:

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

 

Please do define what you mean as native American. Because if the criteria is that you were here originally its been proven with DNA tests that Native Americans (which I assume are those people that the US government has defined as such) are of Asian decent. So they immigrated here as well (most likely when there was an ice or land bridge) just long before others did.  So your idea of Native needs to be clarified.  IMO its just a polical game. I can not think of one single country in the world that is populated by "natives" by the definition you are suggesting.

Perhaps Ethiopia.

That's accurate enough. Where are the Tigris and Euphrates rivers located again?

MindControl116
Ziryab escribió:
MindControl116 wrote:
Synaphai escribió:
Conquistador wrote:

Looks like I am the only real American here because Booby Fischer obviously immigrated from Israel.

First of all, his name was "Bobby", not "Booby". Secondly, Fischer was born in 1943, before the foundation of the State of Israel. Try again, dumbass.

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

That figure should be 98%

Well, yeah, there was no way I could be accurate. But I think you get the idea.

MindControl116
incantevoleutopia escribió:
MindControl116 wrote:

Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

It's worth to note that native americans do not have a "land = property" mentality as we dumb westerns...thank you Europe for reducing everything into a pile of sh... :-)

I understand that. Again, like I said before, I didn't mean to write the argument as though i meant they owned it. I just can't find a good way to say it, but I think you get the idea I meant. They were the very first sedentary humans in the area. And I guess that's what you would define as a Native American. Whether you did define that as a Native American or not, either way would just prove my point: Probably everyone in America is an immigrant in some sort of way. No one is 100% American. Maybe by spirit but never by blood.

Ziryab
MindControl116 wrote:
Ziryab escribió:
MindControl116 wrote:
Synaphai escribió:
Conquistador wrote:

Looks like I am the only real American here because Booby Fischer obviously immigrated from Israel.

First of all, his name was "Bobby", not "Booby". Secondly, Fischer was born in 1943, before the foundation of the State of Israel. Try again, dumbass.

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

That figure should be 98%

Well, yeah, there was no way I could be accurate. But I think you get the idea.

Why couldn't you be accurate? That Native Americans comprise approximately 2% of the U.S. population is well-known. It is also easy to Google if you don't have the figure in your head.

Your basic idea is correct. 

Bonny-Rotten

Does anyone know if Bigfeet populated America before the Indians who maybe then slaughtered them, before the Europeans came and bossed the Indians ?

kleelof
chessmicky wrote:

Since Fischer was born in Chicago, that remarks seems to be an ugly combination of stupid and ignorant

A second ago you said it was a remarkable combiniation. Laughing

TurboFish
MindControl116 wrote:
Probably everyone in America is an immigrant in some sort of way. No one is 100% American. Maybe by spirit but never by blood.

The above is just as true if you delete "America" and substitute in its place "France", "Germany", "Spain", "Italy", "Russia", "England", "Brazil", "Mexico", or any other non-African country.

So what's the point of claiming that "most Americans aren't American"?

kleelof
incantevoleutopia wrote:
MindControl116 wrote:

Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

It's worth to note that native americans do not have a "land = property" mentality as we dumb westerns...

Actually, they did. But the 'property' belonged to groups, not individuals. There were plenty of Indian wars over land.

Conquistador

Bigfeet traveled across the Northwest Passage back in the 1400s on the backs of Reptilians.

Quote from Tribe Leader Dashing Panther, "They make for good steaks."

DrSpudnik
Conquistador wrote:

Bigfeet traveled across the Northwest Passage back in the 1400s on the backs of Reptilians.

Quote from Tribe Leader Dashing Panther, "They make for good steaks."

It's about time this important information sees the light of day! People need to know.

phudson
DrSpudnik wrote:
Conquistador wrote:

Bigfeet traveled across the Northwest Passage back in the 1400s on the backs of Reptilians.

Quote from Tribe Leader Dashing Panther, "They make for good steaks."

It's about time this important information sees the light of day! People need to know.

Hear hear! Time to get this in the history books!

JamieDelarosa
MindControl116 wrote:
Synaphai escribió:
Conquistador wrote:

Looks like I am the only real American here because Booby Fischer obviously immigrated from Israel.

First of all, his name was "Bobby", not "Booby". Secondly, Fischer was born in 1943, before the foundation of the State of Israel. Try again, dumbass.

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

"America" is a European invention.  "Native" Americans are aboriginal Americans, just like everybody else; just for longer.

DrSpudnik
PHudson wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
Conquistador wrote:

Bigfeet traveled across the Northwest Passage back in the 1400s on the backs of Reptilians.

Quote from Tribe Leader Dashing Panther, "They make for good steaks."

It's about time this important information sees the light of day! People need to know.

Hear hear! Time to get this in the history books!

Certainly the Texas history books. Apparently they put about anything in them!

Conquistador
JamieDelarosa wrote:
MindControl116 wrote:
Synaphai escribió:
Conquistador wrote:

Looks like I am the only real American here because Booby Fischer obviously immigrated from Israel.

First of all, his name was "Bobby", not "Booby". Secondly, Fischer was born in 1943, before the foundation of the State of Israel. Try again, dumbass.

It depends on how you define a real American. From the most objective standpoint, 99.99999% of people in the US aren't actually real Americans. In some sort of way, they're immigrants, or, their ancestors were centuries ago. Only people born from Native Americans are true Americans in that sense because they colonized the place first than anyone else. But, again, that depends how you define it. 

"America" is a European invention.  "Native" Americans are aboriginal Americans, just like everybody else; just for longer.

Jamie you are a social engineering invention.

Ziryab
JamieDelarosa wrote:

"America" is a European invention.  "Native" Americans are aboriginal Americans, just like everybody else; just for longer.

Your first sentence is correct. The second is utter nonsense.

Aboriginal means coming from no other place. While it's true that indigenous (a word synonymous with aboriginal) Americans migrated from Asia, fifteen thousand years is a wee bit longer than 200. Most Americans have been in the United States for four generations or less. Some Mexican Americans are a mix of indigenous and immigrant stock that arrived three hundred years ago on land that became the U.S. in 1848. There are also a handful of families whose immigrant status goes back to the seventeenth century, but these are few.

My ancestors mostly arrived shortly after the Civil War, which makes us older stock than the majority. One branch of my family goes back before the American Revolution. That makes me more thoroughly American than more than 90%, but an immigrant in comparison to friends of mine who live on land their family has occupied for 10,000 years. 

RichColorado
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New York City, USA.