i feel bad for both UK and America chess

Arthur Schopenhauer: Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right.

I think this is because as individual peronality types,  nations too have an "overall" personality type. So one ridicules the other for not have 'z' and vice versa. So one nation might be istj and another esfj both are correct cz a 't' (thinker) cant 'f' (feel) and an 'i' (introvert) cant be an 'e'. So either both are patient or both ridicule each other. And i think, had they been patient they would have eventually learned a lot and would not have looked like fools to a third party. 

Between it is true that people have genetic preferences of feeling over thinking or judgment over perception and etc. And it would not be incorrect to assume that a group of blood related people (tribe, nation etc) would have some marked preferences. The catch however is to recognize that for example: someone says something funny and witty and you have been admiring that quality in that person for year. His mode of taking information is different so it comes to him naturally. So what he says, makes sense, how he makes it (invents it) will not make sense for you cz you might have a clash or a feeling vs thinking. And both are correct.

Digging even deeper it will take some cool science for people to get to really understand each other cz if, for example a thinker explains something to a feeler, the feeler will only be "feeling", not thinking.! So in a way people live in the same world, yet very different worlds.

If for another example: a t were to go into an f's mind when the f were to be "feeling" he would experience a unique mode of mental activity he never previously felt and vice versa.

And if a t were to go into an f's mind if he were "thinking" he would experience "feeling" according to his own standards and vice versa.

My point is that if you use that point of perspective, no one has ever been an American champion in chess because no one even was a true American.

I'm not saying it's a practical and useful point of view, and no one ever would consider that point valid. But it does make sense according to the definition. I was just saying something to add.

I don't really trust Google that much. I've seen several inaccuracies before with it.

Also, even though I am by law an American citizen, I'm not really American, and in fact I have only lived in the US for about 2 years. So no, I wouldn't know the fact that Native Americans comprise approximately 2% of the US population.

Then I think we agree that referring to Bobby Fischer as "not a true American" is not very meaningful or useful in intelligent discussion.  Afterall, from that point of view, there has been no true Russian, Cuban, or Indian world chess champion either.  Unless we want to debate how many generations of one's ancestors must have been born in a country before one becomes a "true citizen" (which would be not only arbitrary, but also arrogant and intolerant).

Even when players (like Kamsky, So, and Caruana) immigrate/switch allegiance to a new country, commentators should be civilized, and accept the right of people to immigrate to where they are welcome.  Otherwise, we are slipping towards intolerant nationalism.

I don't want to imply that you (MindControl116) are guilty of that kind of intolerance, and I hope that I did not quote you out of context, or infer something you did not intend.  I guess I'm responding to the overall tone of this thread (and some of the other members' comments) that seem intent on looking for excuses to ridicule the U.S. Of course people disagree about international politics, but let's not allow that to taint a discussion about chess.

Google cannot be inaccurate.  It only feeds you the results of the search you made.  People can post inaccuracies, but preponderance of evidence will still win out.  If you cannot parse the results and ascertain which are best, then the fault lies not with Google.

It's like walking into a flea market...can you tell the difference between a piece of junk and something valuable?  It's on you.

Here is a quote from Kasparov

In general there is something

puzzling about the fact that the most

renowned figures in chess - Morphy,

Pillsbury, Capablanca and Fischer -were born in America.

Capablanca was born in America/USA ??  hhhmmmm 

True , but America has become synonymous with the USA .  

Idiot!

This chess thread is filled with Idiots!

If everyone is said to have originated from Africa than that means Africa is dominating in chess with 16 World Chess Champions.

Why does Magnus Carlsen keep using Norways Flag? Maybe, Magnus likes the pretty colors. He should be using an African Flag. Magnus Carlsen is not a true Norwegian.

Then use Ask, or some other search tool. Google is the best in my experience.

You should know that the search engine only points to sources; it is not itself a source. It's like a card catalog. 

Reb wrote:

Capablanca was born in America/USA ??  hhhmmmm 

You'd have to ask Kasparov why he said it that way lol

@xplayer... I kind of prefer thinking of these guys as my long lost hommies from the boat of Noah. of course then babel and his tower; and then the idea of contentious groups of people (nations) and good ole'  internet trolls at the same time (granted that it took a few years to build an internet; where anyone can aggreviate alot of people from the comfort of the PC- without risking a drunken brawl).

thats my take on it. :D. 

Google c.1966

I said it myself: it's not a pratical or useful point of view to the discussion. I just wanted to have something to add, something to mention.

Using the word 'idiot' in this format makes you a lot more of an idiot yourself than the rest of the players on the thread.

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I was going to respond to you MindControl116. Than I saw your about me section and realized your only 16. So I have changed my mind and deleted my comment.

Have a nice day.

16? I'm not even 16. Also, there's not much that has to do anything with the post

Staunton UK

Morphy US, Fischer US

Sure there is. When you are young you can get away with being naive.

Your logic is wrong. However, it is ok becuase you will learn why its wrong probably later in life.

If the majority of the people in america didn't believe they were true americans. Than america wouldn't exist as we know it.

Something would change.

Examples of such things have happen through out history.

One of the most recent examples was Crimea.

They were part of the Ukraine than the majority of people in that country decided they didn't want to be part of the Ukraine. They felt like they were Russian. An now Crimea is part of Russia.

Another example would be how America got founded.

The majority of people in America felt they were not British. They felt like they was something esle. So they revolted and created America.

Your logic that no one is a true American is wrong on the bases of not understanding how countrys and nations are created. They are created by the people. The people in that country or nation.

Everyone is said to have immigrated from Africa that has been found by science. However, If no one from Africa immigrated. No other country or nation would exist. How could they?

Animals didn't create the names of countrys and nations only humans did. If there is no humans than there is nothing.

A couple of years ago they found an Indian tribe that had died off. No one even knew they existed until they found evidence though different digs. They found remains of things that looked like a race of people. However, No one knows becuase there is no one alive to say.

The Crimea takeover was a military invasion of Ukraine by Russia and had nothing to do with people wanting to suddenly belong to Russia.Putin,after the invasion,admitted this.Before the invasion he said Russia was not participating in any aggitation in Crimea but then afterwards,with much ceremony,he gloated over the triumph.In the process of the invasion he used non-badged military thugs to foment dissent within the population and used Russian military/naval units already stationed in Crimea to carry out the proceedure.