I have the Solution to stop cheating in Live Chess!

what about GM who play on chess.com or maybe kasparov ,anand who ever

good idea, assuming the site could afford to pay the extra staff.  Also the "cheat squad" could visit the person at their home, and have a face to face discussion with the cheater...for more details please see the movie ,  "The Godfather"

good idea. but, that needs money

exactly, we are paying way too much attention to cheaters. the engine human ratio is sooooo tiny. so dont worry about it.

Sounds like the cure is far worse than the problem. This is the Internet! Where deception is the rule rather than the exception. How many people here use their real name? How many tell the truth about where they are from or about their gender? Or about their jobs or about their age? How are we going to police all these liars? All this rampant criminality! But let me tell you something. The bullets are not real. They pass right through me. And sometimes... but only sometimes... when my opponent makes a great move... it just might be because I didn't understand the position as well as I like to think I did. The truth is on the chessboard. Play the board - not the person.

There would be no need to download anything in order to implement this, and I didn't see where it's suggested that minimizing would be disabled (although I may have missed it) but rather that moves on and off of the Live chess.com screen would be logged for suspicious patterns.

Basically, the live chess screen already inherently triggers events when it loses the focus (i.e. switching to another application) and regains it -- all windows do.  It's simply a mater of tapping into these events and building a log against when they occurs versus when moves are made.  Nothing invasive, nothing subversive.

I'm a pretty bad offender, by the way, as I have a bad habit of switching between live chess and the forums or tactics trainer while playing a game (my Live ratings suffer horrendously for it).  Does this mean that I'd probably be flagged as a potential cheater based on such a check?  Absolutely.  Do I trust chess.com to investigate further and determine that my substandard play in Live chess means that I'm absolved?  Absolutely.

I say bring it on.

 A simple sentence that explains all of this madness....

This will never happen.... Erik is cheap!

I think you mean pragmatic, and driven by common sense.

 For this to work it would have to be invasive.  As far as I know there is no way for chess.com to know when you move to a different window unless it has a program installed on your computer monitoring what you do, ie spyware.  Not everything that IE does on your computer is available to chess.com.

Ridiculous theory.

The best way is to make cheat reports easier, and to display banned cheaters publicly to discourage cheating.

You know that poison was the cure.

Morphy, in his later years, believed people were conspiring to steal his clothes.

This is simply not the case.  Any application receives event alerts based on the loss and gain of focus.  It can even be done in a simple web-page using nothing more than Javascript with no software install required.  Note that there's no way for a web-site to tell why the focus has been lost (i.e. minimize, move to another application etc.), just that it has been.

Do you people really care that much?  I mean, c'mon now.  The solution is not to take your internet rating seriously because, news flash, nobody else will anyway.

You want a game with no cheaters?  Play over the board chess and value that rating.  

Besides this, if you're playing quick games you must be playing THOUSANDS of them.  How many tmes have you suspected cheating out of these thousands of games?  Do you really think it affects you, or your amighty and ever so important number next to your name, that much?

I value the way I played DURING a game alot more than the number this website assigns me.  

Maybe you should go "vigilante" and use a program yourself and play random people just in case they're cheating eh?  

And why is cheating only the main focus LIVE chess?  What about corresponence?  When the friggin' rules say you're ALLOWED to use books, filled with analysis from COMPUTERS, it kind of takes the edge off the cheating aspect no?  

Just play the damn game and have fun.  Leave the drama for tv sitcoms. 

Hm. Touché.

Bungleodeon,

Instead of losing to cheaters using computers you will lose to mods using computers.  Whats the difference?

There are always going to be cheaters in life and you cant really do anything about it! just move on

You know that? It's a fact? You can prove it, of course!? Or should I just believe it because you say it?

If u know they are cheating then report them. and how would u know if they are cheating????

I wish we could make ratings irrelevant, since they have become more about status than being a yardstick to measure achievement. I try to play non-rated games whenever I can, but a lot of people only play others for the rating boost. The pursuit of status / gain without regard to the ethical implications of ones actions is symptomatic of a larger problem within our various cultures I think.

Explain how this is a straw man agrument?  How am I misinterpreting your argument?  Before Bobby Fischer, nobody thought you could play that good, then he came around and cleaned everyone's clocks.  Who knows if there could be a better person that is unknown as of now.  Take his case, he wasn't famous for quite some time.  Your skills earn your ranking, not the other way around.  One can have the skills without the official recognition, that is my whole point.  You clearly misunderstood my argument.  I can be the best in the world without entering having an official title.  Improbable? Yes.  Highly unlikely?  Yes.  Possible?  Yes.  As long as the game isn't solved, it is theoretically possible to play better than anything available right now.  Hell, even the Pros can draw most engines, especially the more accessible ones.  Like I said before, if you have an amazing player who is not officially recognized, who can cream your common engines, and maybe can draw higher ones is going to be banned just because his rating happens to be at 1500 on his second game.  You neither provided an answer to my argument and instead called it "inane" -->insane?  I don't see how it is so "insane" 

Hell, for all we know, the best player in the world could be some unknown 17 year old who has been playing against engines his/her whole life.  Or maybe a grandmaster just joined and hasn't mentioned his/her title to the chess.com staff and doesn't have his/her tag yet.  Your plan, although certainly going to ban many cheaters, is rash and naive.  It sounds good on paper, but has its problems.

Also, changing IP can take mere seconds if you know what to do.  Considering the people you are targeting are cheaters, i.e. people who tend to be computer savvy, they will probably know how to change their IP easily.  There are always ways around cheating, no matter what system you put up.  Erik's system best balances the need of punishing cheaters as well as preventing non-cheaters from being banned.  His system is analytical in nature and lends itself to double-checking and ensuring guilt.  Yours is, by nature, too simplistic and lends itself to no feedback or improvment.  It's merely, BAN or NO BAN. 

Don't get me wrong, its good to be thinking up plans to help curb cheating.  As cheating methods continue to increase, so must methods to catch those cheaters.  If you expanded upon this, it might be very workable. 

I have to actually say that I would be against the minimizing thing too because I do it alot, whether to open a webpage or something else :(  I can be illogically impatient playing on live chess.