I think the WCM title should not be given out anymore

Generally, WCM is awarded at a 2000 FIDE rating and CM is awarded at a 2200 FIDE rating. Many players achieve these titles at lower ratings by placing top three in major international youth events.

wcm=trash 1600

I agree with @giants4008, and @2Ke21-0. Seems a bit strange to me to seperate woman's titles from men's, so I think there shouldn't be a WM system, just pool them together. But, taking that out of account, the title makes sense because someone who has earned that is clearly a great chess player. We're all used to seing the GM's who can destroy 2000's, but it is quite the achievement. (saying this from my 900 elo baby chair )

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Women's titles should have been abolished decades ago when it became clear that ability wise, there's nothing to stop women becoming just as good as men.

Ability-wise, true - it's just all the other historical and systematic disincentives women have faced throughout that time:

https://chessdailynews.com/why-is-there-a-need-for-girls-or-womens-tournaments/

https://lichess.org/blog/X9i1gRUAAJzOKpd0/invisible-pieces-women-in-chess

https://en.chessbase.com/post/why-chess-tournaments-can-be-hostile-for-women-and-girls

The last systematic barriers to women competing in top level chess came down with the Polgar sisters. There's no legitimate reason for separate titles to exist 20 years later.

Susan Polgar wrote that first article and disagrees with you.

Living in the past and beating that dead horse is not very progressive. There are other ways to strengthen engagement in the sport.

LOL, this thread again! This thread, and other gender-specific threads, keep getting recycled every few months, usually after getting shut down. We last saw this thread back in May 2023,and even then it was a rephrasing of previous threads. Same,old,barely disguised bigot threads. Like a vampire these troll-posts keep coming back from the dead, Chess.com needs to invest in some holy water and wooden stakes.

There is no question there is a wide gap between the genders in chess strength but lowering the standards doesn't help anyone. When girls are told they can become a WM or WGM instead of FM or GM and allowed to compete in lower rated separate tournaments their expectations are already lowered. Even the few Women Grandmasters who have earned their titles often opt to play in the women's section of open tournaments.

I think it's good that there are women's events to give women more opportunities to play professionally. On the other hand, I'm not sure though what the advantage of a WGM title is, when everyone knows, it's basically somewhere between the FM and IM title...

2000 should not warrant a title, full stop. Its simply not good enough

In the USCF the title for a rating between 2000 and 2200 is called "expert." Thirty or forty years ago when I was playing in tournaments that was a very prestigious title. My highest rating over the board was 1430 which is class C and was considered an average rating. Not that it means anything but my highest rating was actually 1450.

Yes ok......?

I actually agree with what you said. The idea of giving titles out to make people feel good instead of actually accomplishing something is akin to participation medals.

I'm all for participation medals.If one is against the continuation of WC titles then one needs to present an argument on why that is the ethical course and I'm not convinced it is an ethical issue.Not likeing WC titles, in of itself, isn't reason enough.One must present a compelling reason,especially since it pertains to one gender while not affecting the other in any way. If you think that isn't the case ( and it maybe that eventually it is) then you will have to construct an argument that passes all the tests required of an argument and then put it to the test,and at the moment I don't think that can be done.I do not think that a case can be made,at this time,that will withstand a true rebuttal.

Currently, there are six NBA teams with no white players on their rosters. These teams are the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Memphis Grizzlies, New Orleans Pelicans, Brooklyn Nets, and Atlanta Hawks. Should the NBA start a new White National Basketball Association league just so white players can feel special about themselves? Pandering to white players is no different than pandering to women who are upset that they aren't represented in the same numbers as the men. Women have been playing in the Women's World Chess Championship for the last 100 years and we are to believe its only because the men have oppressed them and not allowed them to reach their full potential that there is such a wide gap in the ratings. Everything is so politically correct today that God forbid anyone should talk about any differences between men and women.

That has nothing to do with the question,even if your rant were true, and for the most part it's just jibberish. If you have an argument as to why WC titles need to be abolished then present it ...otherwise...

"Go home,you speak'n nonsense,bro."

There is even some WCMs that I am stronger than. Many are at ratings and strengths lower than a patzer or a local club player, certainly not a master.