Pawn_Checkmate wrote:
Albert Einstein did play chess..
IQ isn't a measure of intelligence.
Is it a measure of roller skating ability?
If Albert Einstein played chess he could have been one of the greatest Chess Player🏤🏡⛲
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Why do I talk about high IQ rather too much? I think that there's a fascination with other people's reactions. Having gone through life, firstly learning that I was probably a genius, and then learning that it brings with it problems and learning to counter those problems and then to put on a facade of normalcy .... and then finding ways to make that apparent normality really normal and living as if I wasn't different for decades and decades .... there's perhaps a fascination with the way that others react when faced with someone who isn't shy about talking about it.
After all, why else are people on this thread? Why else is there a proliferation of threads about Einstein, and all the daft threads about "brilliant moves"? Chess is a highly cognitive game. Some might say "intellectual". Not that it necessarily seems like that because it's a war game rather like any other war game .... exploiting cunning, trickery, battle plans, concentration and fighting spirit.
But still, it seems like there's a fascination here with the intellect. And so there will be those who react with bravado and pretend to be cynical. Of course, THEY wouldn't be so stupid as to talk about it, if it were they who might do so. But it's a bit like a continuation of a very old conversation with the World which started and stopped when I was nine. It started because I learned that I was, well, very different. I invented my own methods of calculation .... I did it differently from anyone else ... except that I heard of one or two other people in the UK who apparently used methods similar to mine. I could do anything with my mind. But I couldn't talk about it, except with myself. I had to learn to be normal because I knew that if I didn't adjust, I couldn't have a good life. So I learned how to adjust and now I can talk about it and it doesn't hurt when people come along with their big mouths all angry. It didn't hurt back then, when I was nine. I lived on a very rough council housing estate in a very rough town, a port, in the the North of England. And I was considered very posh, so I had to learn to fight. I learned to enjoy fighting. But I never talked about what I'm talking about now.
There are those who never manage the trick of living a normal life. Part of that trick is not ever being phased by the egotists and very angry persons. Know no fear. There are some who could use that message. Know no fear.
Oct 12, 2021
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#224
Pikelemi wrote:
Galaxybro wrote:
Einstein is quoted as saying: "Chess grips its exponent, shackling the mind and brain so that the inner freedom and independence of even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected."
But how do you know Einstein said that?
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GqVGDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=Chess+grips+its+exponent,+shackling+the+mind+and+brain+so+that+the+inner+freedom+and+independence+of+even+the+strongest+character+cannot+remain+unaffected.%22&source=bl&ots=GGQy6avSJO&sig=ACfU3U1VVnwIid4sjOZ8Dv5f2uhbKiG7bQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiC2I7rqsbzAhXLT8AKHYkiAKYQ6AF6BAgJEAM
It seems genuine.
Oct 12, 2021
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#226
Ubik42 wrote:
I took an IQ test and it was 190.
I mean, I didn't actually take an IQ test. But if I did, I am sure it would be 190.
I mean, I didn't actually take an IQ test. But if I did, I am sure it would be 190.
Uh-huh.
Fact is if you’re posting in these forums your IQ cannot be higher than 120.
Ziryab wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
I took an IQ test and it was 190.
I mean, I didn't actually take an IQ test. But if I did, I am sure it would be 190.
I mean, I didn't actually take an IQ test. But if I did, I am sure it would be 190.
Uh-huh.
Fact is if you’re posting in these forums your IQ cannot be higher than 120.
Same as me.
Same as you, come to think. 
Again, IQ tests measure your ability to recognize patterns and reason about some formal logic. I wouldn't go so far as to say they say nothing about your general intelligence, but they certainly are only a small part of the picture. I've spoken to many such "high IQ" individuals who pat themselves on the back all day while typing out of their mother's basement and achieving nothing. "I'm a genius" they proclaim, meanwhile achieving absolutely nothing meaningful with their lives and contributing nothing to any intellectual field beyond worthless forum posts.
"What I'm trying to say is that it was my own experience that I tended to live a rather weird, almost dreamlike life and actually, to combat that I became very physically active"
Lol stop. You think any of that is unique to you? I graduated college early and bought my first car and house at 23. I'm 24 now, make a ludicrous amount of money doing intellectual work, and I'm living life on easy mode. I did all this without ever truly applying myself. I'm constantly training Jiu Jitsu, cycling, running, etc. Yet I don't go around starting conversations by proclaiming my intelligence because I have the self-awareness to know it's cringe. I even have the self-awareness to know that listing all those stats is cringe, but I did it anyways because it's probably the only language you understand. Your delusions of self-grandeur are absolutely laughable; you are an intellectual ant when compared to a man like Einstein.
Regardless, it's pointless discussing what is clearly an emotionally charged subject for you, since you seem to base your self-worth on your "intelligence". Your statements about Einstein however, are nonsense. Let me remind you what you said, since you seem to already be forgetting.
"I suspect there's a watershed around 155 where people can become somehow slightly superhuman and Einstein clearly wasn't that, with his intense opposition to quantum physics, his promotion of the Big Bang Theory and his moral degeneracy."
1. You're clearly implying his moral degeneracy (which is an entirely different subject) is evidence of him being below an IQ of 155. Then you try to backpedal and pretend that's not what you're saying. Come on "genius", follow along! People with 155 IQ become slightly superhuman; Einstein wasn't that because of A, B, and his moral degeneracy. Therefore, moral degeneracy negatively impacts IQ. See, not so hard, right?
2. Again, Einstein was not in favor of the big bang theory, so to claim he "promoted" it is disingenuous. He begrudgingly accepted the idea of expansion since all the evidence pointed to it, but he is famous for his belief of the universe being eternal with a cosmological constant of 0. This is how science works, by the way: accepting you were wrong when the evidence presents itself. What it has to do with his IQ is a completely separate issue that I think you've provided little justification for.
3. What exactly do you even mean by opposed? He believed there was a grand unifying theory that was greater than QM and that "god does not play dice", but he never doubted its predictive abilities. Not that it should have any relevance, since again, HE IS ONE OF THE FATHERS OF QM. Photoelectric effect? Einstein. Wave-particle duality? Einstein. Brownian motion? Einstein (and you conveniently left out that it was a key piece of evidence for the existence of atoms and that in his paper he deduced the size of an atom). Quantum entanglement? Einstein (he literally coined the term "spooky action at a distance" lol). Need I go on? He was one of the leading physicists in QM for decades. To take his philosophical stance that "god does not play dice" and to use it as a dig against his intelligence is baffling, and tells me a lot about you. Would I be correct in assuming you have some strong views about Fischer too? No? Just checking.
If you are training jiu jitsu in covid then a genius you are not
Ubik42 wrote:
If you are training jiu jitsu in covid then a genius you are not
Unlike the guy I'm arguing with, I never claimed to be a genius 
Also my tolerance for risk is pretty high. It's fun, it keeps me fit, it helps make life worth living; it's a risk I'm willing to take. Especially since I'm fully vaccinated and young.
Optimissed wrote:
TheRussianPatzer wrote:
So many self-proclaimed geniuses in this thread! I forgot that chess attracted such ridiculous personalities.
First of all, no one knows Einstein's IQ because HE NEVER TOOK AN IQ TEST. Any speculation about his IQ is complete nonsense.
Obviously it isn't nonsense, since there have been a lot of studies done re. things attained by people with various I.Q.s. It was estimated as 160 some time in the early 1970s, I think. No-one has seriously challenged that and the figure of 160 has attained a pseudo-factual status. Some think it's an underestimate and I think it's possibly an over-estimate. I suspect there's a watershed around 155 where people can become somehow slightly superhuman and Einstein clearly wasn't that, with his intense opposition to quantum physics, his promotion of the Big Bang Theory and his moral degeneracy.
Secondly, Einstein never had an official rating, and even the Einstein vs Oppenheimer game has never been confirmed to be authentic (in fact all evidence suggests it's fake)!
Quite possibly. There's so much fake stuff about him and from what I heard, he wasn't a good chess player at all. But again, that may be fabricated.
Would Einstein have been a great chess player if he devoted his life to it? We don't know! Is intelligence associated with good chess? Probably somewhat, but it's absolutely not the end of the story. Regardless, Einstein was known to be a deep thinker who struggled sometimes to find quick solutions. There is even a famous anecdote (which ironically I'm forgetting the details of) where Einstein was offered to take an entrance exam for an engineering university and failed (this was after he already did the bulk of his incredible work). OTB chess is largely about finding practical solutions in a limited time, not finding innovations that could take years to uncover. If anything, he probably would've been a great theorist/composer had he devoted his life to chess, but not an incredible player.
Good comment.
But hey, what do I know? I must step aside and bow down to the 50% of you who apparently have IQs above 150.
I think it's only me and you're fine. Unfortunately, I've been distracted by talking to an imbecile.
Font colors fixed. Thanks for proving out what I said yesterday about where the direct insults and namecalling actually come from.
Optimissed wrote:
Why do I talk about high IQ rather too much? I think that there's a fascination with other people's reactions. Having gone through life, firstly learning that I was probably a genius, and then learning that it brings with it problems and learning to counter those problems and then to put on a facade of normalcy .... and then finding ways to make that apparent normality really normal and living as if I wasn't different for decades and decades .... there's perhaps a fascination with the way that others react when faced with someone who isn't shy about talking about it.
After all, why else are people on this thread? Why else is there a proliferation of threads about Einstein, and all the daft threads about "brilliant moves"? Chess is a highly cognitive game. Some might say "intellectual". Not that it necessarily seems like that because it's a war game rather like any other war game .... exploiting cunning, trickery, battle plans, concentration and fighting spirit.
But still, it seems like there's a fascination here with the intellect. And so there will be those who react with bravado and pretend to be cynical. Of course, THEY wouldn't be so stupid as to talk about it, if it were they who might do so. But it's a bit like a continuation of a very old conversation with the World which started and stopped when I was nine. It started because I learned that I was, well, very different. I invented my own methods of calculation .... I did it differently from anyone else ... except that I heard of one or two other people in the UK who apparently used methods similar to mine. I could do anything with my mind. But I couldn't talk about it, except with myself. I had to learn to be normal because I knew that if I didn't adjust, I couldn't have a good life. So I learned how to adjust and now I can talk about it and it doesn't hurt when people come along with their big mouths all angry. It didn't hurt back then, when I was nine. I lived on a very rough council housing estate in a very rough town, a port, in the the North of England. And I was considered very posh, so I had to learn to fight. I learned to enjoy fighting. But I never talked about what I'm talking about now.
There are those who never manage the trick of living a normal life. Part of that trick is not ever being phased by the egotists and very angry persons. Know no fear. There are some who could use that message. Know no fear.
Quoting this ego trip for posterity.
I noticed you glossed over your previously stated belief that you have mental abilities that can manipulate the physical world with the tamer and safer "I could do anything with my mind"...so perhaps "know no fear" is a bit overstated in your case .
Well, that's what I thought you'd do. It isn't an ego-trip, by the way. There are some here who, unlike yourself, are genuinely interested in IQ and high IQ, and that's absolutely fine that you should wish to keep my subjective musings for posterity. I just thought to myself that maybe I should open up about it because there may be those who would enjoy reading it and it may throw some light on the Einstein thing. Incidentally, I agree with Lola .... Einstein was two things ..... lucky and a good self-publicist. If he hadn't married Mileva, he probably wouldn't be known about. Oh, in keeping with your liking for posterity and having old posts of yours commented on, I replied to one from 2017. I hope you were pleased. I disagreed with your conclusions about IQ and chess but I'm sure we'll remain good friends, despite that. I think there are strong links. Apparently your hero, Einstein, did too, so he can't be all bad.
I noticed you glossed over your previously stated belief that you have mental abilities that can manipulate the physical world with the tamer and safer "I could do anything with my mind"...so perhaps "know no fear" is a bit overstated in your case.>>>>
I'm afraid I fail to understand the latter part of that but I didn't try too hard, because I assumed there was nothing there. If I'm mistaken, please correct me. Naturally, the comment "I could do anything with my mind" was an extreme over-statement but I did it to please you and it isn't supposed to refer to things that are impossible. Only things that are possible.
plz pierce
He was just a show-off.
yes but woulded he had played it??
Oct 13, 2021
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#239
i think people are getting off topic. What I think is that IQ (intelligence quotient) does not affect being good at chess as much as doing chess over and over again.
You can disagree with me but don't insult me.
My point is, the abilities of a chess player have nothing to do with intelligence or super memory.Focus , as mentioned , is one of the most important ones.
When a parent comes in the cub and says "my kid is very clever,he will be a champion"(it happens all the time) the first thing the trainer does is to explain to him that chess and intelligence are not related.
No chess coach that I know has ever said such...they will say whatever continues to get them $$$, which is definitely not that chess and intelligence are unlinked. Parents like to believe being great at chess will translate into great grades and a successful career/life, etc. which is far from the truth, but a chess coach has a built-in incentive to let them believe this myth.
You're quite right ... they're after the $$$ more than anything. Even so, when my son was about eight, I thought that school wasn't stretching his mind, so I got him to take up chess. I took him to chess school for kids, helped him a bit with openings and endgames, and took him to tournaments. He won some tournaments, beat some first team players, towards the lower reaches of the first team. I made sure he never ever played me in a serious game. Then when he was 13, he asked me if he could give up chess completely and take up riding bmx bikes with his mates. He had a completely normal life at school .... wasn't outstanding in any way. Managed to pass his entrance exams to university to study maths. And he got a first class Masters in maths and a PhD in theoretical (quantum) physics. And he thanked me. I asked him why. Apparently, when he was struggling in his second year of the maths degree I gave him a motivational talk. Told him he could do anything he wanted and explained how to concentrate on getting what he wanted. At St Andrews the other PhD students considered him a genius. I don't think it would have happened without chess. Chess and intellect are definitely interdependent.