If you don’t accept at least one rematch after you win, then you lose.

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sndeww
Mkayluh hat geschrieben:

I beat a guy in bullet and he aggressively demanded for a rematch. I declined because I had other plans. He messaged me on multiple of his accounts to verbally abuse me and a week or so later.. 2 of his accounts got banned for cheating. So I guess... he was planning to use an engine on the rematch. He also kept saying he was better than me even tho I destroyed him lol

But imagine configuring an engine to play bullet. You must have so much time on your hands

nTzT
B1ZMARK wrote:
Mkayluh hat geschrieben:

I beat a guy in bullet and he aggressively demanded for a rematch. I declined because I had other plans. He messaged me on multiple of his accounts to verbally abuse me and a week or so later.. 2 of his accounts got banned for cheating. So I guess... he was planning to use an engine on the rematch. He also kept saying he was better than me even tho I destroyed him lol

But imagine configuring an engine to play bullet. You must have so much time on your hands

Probably easier than learning how to actually play well tongue.png.

youreacoward69
Wits-end wrote:

@youreacoward69 I’m curious if you feel the same about other games or sports. In the “spirit of competition”, do you feel a rematch is always warranted or obligated?

Nothing is obligated. And I play a few sports, and if I played someone and say won, and I knew I was going to play in another game with a random person on roughly the same level as my previous opponent, and they asked for a rematch, what would I have to lose? What's the difference between the same person twice who asks for a rematch and a new random person on roughly the same level? Of course I would rematch. On the one hand, its no different logistically as playing a new random person, and on the other hand, it's a challenge. All things being roughly equal, you're turning down a challenge because you "want to play other random people on or around the same level." Some people may not feel the drive to defend against a challenge, and that's them. But I do think it comes from fear, and not necessarily of the opponent, but the fact that their win could be negated, and their intelligence questioned.

youreacoward69
nTzT wrote:

Person 1: *Oh sweet I am gonna have time for a nice game before dinner*

Person 2: *omg this guy didn't accept my rematch offer he must think he is better than me I am so insecure and immature I think I will make a thread and complain about this because focusing on my chess and improving won't work anyway since I am a donkey"

Wrong. Do not straw man my argument. Some have no plans to play another game. But those that continue on to keep playing have no reason other than some insecurity to decline it. 

youreacoward69
batgirl wrote:

Win, lose or draw, I never accept rematches (unless I'm playing a set match). I don't care beans about my opponents' ratings but I do distrust their psychological need to rematch. 

Then it would follow and be acceptable for one to distrust your psychological need to decline a rematch

sndeww

I think @youareacoward69’s argument has merit, but because it is online and there is no way to tell what the other party is thinking, you cannot come to a definite conclusion like “all who don’t rematch are cowards”

nTzT
youreacoward69 wrote:
nTzT wrote:

Person 1: *Oh sweet I am gonna have time for a nice game before dinner*

Person 2: *omg this guy didn't accept my rematch offer he must think he is better than me I am so insecure and immature I think I will make a thread and complain about this because focusing on my chess and improving won't work anyway since I am a donkey"

Wrong. Do not straw man my argument. Some have no plans to play another game. But those that continue on to keep playing have no reason other than some insecurity to decline it. 

I have an idea. Learn some sportsmanship and take a loss with some dignity. No one owes you anything. In fact, toxic people like you make me want to rematch less often. Sometimes when I rematch people are just toxic for absolutely no reason. It's crazy to me that you take a loss personal. Play to improve and you will enjoy the game more.

youreacoward69
B1ZMARK wrote:

I think @youareacoward69’s argument has merit, but because it is online and there is no way to tell what the other party is thinking, you cannot come to a definite conclusion like “all who don’t rematch are cowards”

You're right, all is incorrect. I retract "all", and say unless they don't plan on playing again or want to change time formats, then yes, there is at least a hint of cowardice. 

youreacoward69
Mkayluh wrote:

I beat a guy in bullet and he aggressively demanded for a rematch. I declined because I had other plans. He messaged me on multiple of his accounts to verbally abuse me and a week or so later.. 2 of his accounts got banned for cheating. So I guess... he was planning to use an engine on the rematch. He also kept saying he was better than me even tho I destroyed him lol

Obviously that's out of bounds

batgirl
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Win, lose or draw, I never accept rematches (unless I'm playing a set match). I don't care beans about my opponents' ratings but I do distrust their psychological need to rematch. 

Then it would follow and be acceptable for one to distrust your psychological need to decline a rematch

Not at all. After declining a rematch, I can have another game with a different opponent in seconds and my urge to play is fulfilled.  This apparent need to play the same person is rather weird.  Do you need to prove something?  Is that what chess is about, shoring up someone's ego?  I prefer not to engage in those type of psychological games and play simply for the joy of playing.  I don't rematch: problem solved.

youreacoward69
nTzT wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
nTzT wrote:

Person 1: *Oh sweet I am gonna have time for a nice game before dinner*

Person 2: *omg this guy didn't accept my rematch offer he must think he is better than me I am so insecure and immature I think I will make a thread and complain about this because focusing on my chess and improving won't work anyway since I am a donkey"

Wrong. Do not straw man my argument. Some have no plans to play another game. But those that continue on to keep playing have no reason other than some insecurity to decline it. 

I have an idea. Learn some sportsmanship and take a loss with some dignity. No one owes you anything. In fact, toxic people like you make me want to rematch less often. Sometimes when I rematch people are just toxic for absolutely no reason. It's crazy to me that you take a loss personal. Play to improve and you will enjoy the game more.

How could you speak to my sportsmanship? I'm simply stating my opinion of people under certain circumstances not accepting a rematch, and ascribing an emotional reason(s) for the decline. I never said anyone owes me anything. If they don't want to rematch, that's up to them, but it's also up to me to hypothesize why so many, mostly in the same set of conditions, refuse rematches. 

youreacoward69
batgirl wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Win, lose or draw, I never accept rematches (unless I'm playing a set match). I don't care beans about my opponents' ratings but I do distrust their psychological need to rematch. 

Then it would follow and be acceptable for one to distrust your psychological need to decline a rematch

Not at all. After declining a rematch, I can have another game with a different opponent in seconds and my urge to play is fulfilled.  This apparent need to play the same person is rather weird.  Do you need to prove something?  Is that what chess is about, shoring up someone's ego?  I prefer not to engage in those type of psychological games and play simply for the joy of playing.  I don't rematch: problem solved.

I don't understand this "playing a different person" as being some kind of automatic preference. The ratings are just about equal and youre doing the exact same thing with a rematch as you would be with a new opponent. And seeing as the amount of variations in chess are astronomical, it doesn't seem reasonable than any two games between any two players (especially on lower levels) will be the same. So subtracting the "newness" of the person (you're playing against positions, not just people), what is so preferable? Once again, I have so say a bit of fear is creeping into your desire to "run" from one opponent to another, who, if you didnt know their user names, you wouldn't be able to tell was a different person to begin with. 

nTzT

You are crying on a forum about rematches you are a terrible sport and I would never want to play a game with you, you take it personal and you are a sad loser. Pathetic. You are so in denial. You are the only problem with rematches. YOU.

nTzT
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Win, lose or draw, I never accept rematches (unless I'm playing a set match). I don't care beans about my opponents' ratings but I do distrust their psychological need to rematch. 

Then it would follow and be acceptable for one to distrust your psychological need to decline a rematch

Not at all. After declining a rematch, I can have another game with a different opponent in seconds and my urge to play is fulfilled.  This apparent need to play the same person is rather weird.  Do you need to prove something?  Is that what chess is about, shoring up someone's ego?  I prefer not to engage in those type of psychological games and play simply for the joy of playing.  I don't rematch: problem solved.

I don't understand this "playing a different person" as being some kind of automatic preference. The ratings are just about equal and youre doing the exact same thing with a rematch as you would be with a new opponent. And seeing as the amount of variations in chess are astronomical, it doesn't seem reasonable than any two games between any two players (especially on lower levels) will be the same. So subtracting the "newness" of the person (you're playing against positions, not just people), what is so preferable? Once again, I have so say a bit of fear is creeping into your desire to "run" from one opponent to another, who, if you didnt know their user names, you wouldn't be able to tell was a different person to begin with. 

Schizophrenia.

youreacoward69
nTzT wrote:

You are crying on a forum about rematches you are a terrible sport and I would never want to play a game with you, you take it personal and you are a sad loser. Pathetic. You are so in denial. You are the only problem with rematches. YOU.

hahaha damn, I was hoping we'd play a gaaaaaame. What's the real reason you wouldn't want to play? Too much at stake? People who dislike one another play each other regularly in all types and games and matches everyday. Like I said, think about the underlying reasons for not wanting to play. You're getting quite riled up my friend, quite riled up

youreacoward69
nTzT wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
batgirl wrote:

Win, lose or draw, I never accept rematches (unless I'm playing a set match). I don't care beans about my opponents' ratings but I do distrust their psychological need to rematch. 

Then it would follow and be acceptable for one to distrust your psychological need to decline a rematch

Not at all. After declining a rematch, I can have another game with a different opponent in seconds and my urge to play is fulfilled.  This apparent need to play the same person is rather weird.  Do you need to prove something?  Is that what chess is about, shoring up someone's ego?  I prefer not to engage in those type of psychological games and play simply for the joy of playing.  I don't rematch: problem solved.

I don't understand this "playing a different person" as being some kind of automatic preference. The ratings are just about equal and youre doing the exact same thing with a rematch as you would be with a new opponent. And seeing as the amount of variations in chess are astronomical, it doesn't seem reasonable than any two games between any two players (especially on lower levels) will be the same. So subtracting the "newness" of the person (you're playing against positions, not just people), what is so preferable? Once again, I have so say a bit of fear is creeping into your desire to "run" from one opponent to another, who, if you didnt know their user names, you wouldn't be able to tell was a different person to begin with. 

Schizophrenia.

Even if I had schizophrenia, my point would still stand. If you didn't understand it, I could explain it to you, too worries friend. And are you being ableist? Tisk tisk, that is terrible of you.

Wits-end
youreacoward69 wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

@youreacoward69 I’m curious if you feel the same about other games or sports. In the “spirit of competition”, do you feel a rematch is always warranted or obligated?

Nothing is obligated. And I play a few sports, and if I played someone and say won, and I knew I was going to play in another game with a random person on roughly the same level as my previous opponent, and they asked for a rematch, what would I have to lose? What's the difference between the same person twice who asks for a rematch and a new random person on roughly the same level? Of course I would rematch. On the one hand, its no different logistically as playing a new random person, and on the other hand, it's a challenge. All things being roughly equal, you're turning down a challenge because you "want to play other random people on or around the same level." Some people may not feel the drive to defend against a challenge, and that's them. But I do think it comes from fear, and not necessarily of the opponent, but the fact that their win could be negated, and their intelligence questioned.

I respect that point of view. Obviously if you were playing in a tournament you wouldn’t be able to accept a rematch even though your new opponent may or may not be random. (Depends on how the brackets are created.) I am not so quick to judge an opponent as a coward simply because a rematch isn’t accepted and i think that is what many are trying to say. I prefer longer games and would accept a rematch if the game was particularly fun and in good sportsmanship. I also know that many have just enough time to sneak in one more game before a class, appointment, meal, or time with friends and loved ones. Just be cautious about labeling everyone as a coward, it simply isn’t accurate. Stating an opinion and framing it as an absolute is typically an error. An absolute must be supported by empirical data.  

youreacoward69
Wits-end wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

@youreacoward69 I’m curious if you feel the same about other games or sports. In the “spirit of competition”, do you feel a rematch is always warranted or obligated?

Nothing is obligated. And I play a few sports, and if I played someone and say won, and I knew I was going to play in another game with a random person on roughly the same level as my previous opponent, and they asked for a rematch, what would I have to lose? What's the difference between the same person twice who asks for a rematch and a new random person on roughly the same level? Of course I would rematch. On the one hand, its no different logistically as playing a new random person, and on the other hand, it's a challenge. All things being roughly equal, you're turning down a challenge because you "want to play other random people on or around the same level." Some people may not feel the drive to defend against a challenge, and that's them. But I do think it comes from fear, and not necessarily of the opponent, but the fact that their win could be negated, and their intelligence questioned.

I respect that point of view. Obviously if you were playing in a tournament you wouldn’t be able to accept a rematch even though your new opponent may or may not be random. (Depends on how the brackets are created.) I am not so quick to judge an opponent as a coward simply because a rematch isn’t accepted and i think that is what many are trying to say. I prefer longer games and would accept a rematch if the game was particularly fun and in good sportsmanship. I also know that many have just enough time to sneak in one more game before a class, appointment, meal, or time with friends and loved ones. Just be cautious about labeling everyone as a coward, it simply isn’t accurate. Stating an opinion and framing it as an absolute is typically an error. An absolute must be supported by empirical data.  

You're right about the "all" label. I agree that was inaccurate of me for sure. 

nTzT
youreacoward69 wrote:
nTzT wrote:

You are crying on a forum about rematches you are a terrible sport and I would never want to play a game with you, you take it personal and you are a sad loser. Pathetic. You are so in denial. You are the only problem with rematches. YOU.

hahaha damn, I was hoping we'd play a gaaaaaame. What's the real reason you wouldn't want to play? Too much at stake? People who dislike one another play each other regularly in all types and games and matches everyday. Like I said, think about the underlying reasons for not wanting to play. You're getting quite riled up my friend, quite riled up

Coming from someone who cries so hard that he makes multiple accounts and a cries on a forum about this issue... I'd say you are pretty riled up. I enjoy the game and try to focus on improving and being a good sport. Not taking it personal when my opponents don't want to play again and calling them cowards. Terrible sportsmanship. You know this, which is why you create a new account just to cry on it. How embarrassing. 

Maybe if you focused your energy on things less absurd you wouldn't be rated 500.

Wits-end
youreacoward69 wrote:
Wits-end wrote:
youreacoward69 wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

@youreacoward69 I’m curious if you feel the same about other games or sports. In the “spirit of competition”, do you feel a rematch is always warranted or obligated?

Nothing is obligated. And I play a few sports, and if I played someone and say won, and I knew I was going to play in another game with a random person on roughly the same level as my previous opponent, and they asked for a rematch, what would I have to lose? What's the difference between the same person twice who asks for a rematch and a new random person on roughly the same level? Of course I would rematch. On the one hand, its no different logistically as playing a new random person, and on the other hand, it's a challenge. All things being roughly equal, you're turning down a challenge because you "want to play other random people on or around the same level." Some people may not feel the drive to defend against a challenge, and that's them. But I do think it comes from fear, and not necessarily of the opponent, but the fact that their win could be negated, and their intelligence questioned.

I respect that point of view. Obviously if you were playing in a tournament you wouldn’t be able to accept a rematch even though your new opponent may or may not be random. (Depends on how the brackets are created.) I am not so quick to judge an opponent as a coward simply because a rematch isn’t accepted and i think that is what many are trying to say. I prefer longer games and would accept a rematch if the game was particularly fun and in good sportsmanship. I also know that many have just enough time to sneak in one more game before a class, appointment, meal, or time with friends and loved ones. Just be cautious about labeling everyone as a coward, it simply isn’t accurate. Stating an opinion and framing it as an absolute is typically an error. An absolute must be supported by empirical data.  

You're right about the "all" label. I agree that was inaccurate of me for sure. 

I respect that as well. thumbup.png