Yes, shorter time: 90|30 or even rapid 15|10.
Chess960 is interesting too.
2 classical games per day, one white, one black would be exhausting. Even a marathon lasts 2 hours only.
The most drastic would be to change the rules so that repeating positions became a loss, like in Go or Stratego.
If you were given a chance to change a format of classical chess tournaments, what would you change?
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Shorter time, like 40+5 will be good. Chess960 is also interesting, if you mix it up with standard. 2 games per would be too much.
Apr 9, 2024
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I like 960, but that's not really classical anymore.
one change I would like for a round robin tournament like the Candidates is to disincentivize draws by changing the point system to something like in football (real football, shut up Americans). win 3, draw 1, loss 0. I think that might spice things up.
Apr 9, 2024
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Optimissed wrote:
Our tournaments were always two games per day but that isn't sustainable past three days.
How so? The World Open 5-day schedule sustains that for more than 3 days. Round 1 is at night, and then 4 days of 2 rounds each.
Apr 9, 2024
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tygxc wrote:
Yes, shorter time: 90|30 or even rapid 15|10.
Chess960 is interesting too.
2 classical games per day, one white, one black would be exhausting. Even a marathon lasts 2 hours only.
The most drastic would be to change the rules so that repeating positions became a loss, like in Go or Stratego.
In tournaments with 2 classical games per day, you are not guaranteed 1 white and 1 black in a day. I have had 2 whites or 2 Black's in the same day.
You are not guaranteed perfect alternation. If you were, then it would be physically impossible for two players that had the same color in the first round to ever face each other. In a 9 round event - the number of rounds necessary for a norm, about all that is guaranteed is that you get 5 of one color and 4 of the other. The color you get only 4 of, with maybe some EXTREME exception, will be one of the following combinations of rounds:
1247, 1257, 1258, 1347, 1357, 1358, 1367, 1368, 1369, 1457, 1458, 1467, 1468, 1469, 1478, 1479, 2357, 2358, 2367, 2368, 2369, 2457, 2458, 2467, 2468, 2469, 2478, 2479, 2568, 2569, 2578, 2579, 3467, 3468, 3469, 3478, 3479, 3568, 3569, 3578, 3579
All other combinations would involve 3 in a row of 1 color or a "+3" scenario (3 more of one color than the other at any given moment, like "2589" would entail having your majority color rounds 13467, which would be 3 more of one color than the other after 7 rounds).
I have had 2 of the same color in 1 day many times, and if it happens to you once, good chance it happens again, like a 3-day, 6-round event in West Virginia in 2006, I had Black-White day 1, then Black-Black day 2, and White-White day 3. I only remember that event due to success level until the final round - one of my "The one that got away" tournaments.
Apr 9, 2024
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Optimissed wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Our tournaments were always two games per day but that isn't sustainable past three days.
How so? The World Open 5-day schedule sustains that for more than 3 days. Round 1 is at night, and then 4 days of 2 rounds each.
Don't you think that there's a price to pay for 9 games in four and a half days? It wouldn't have been accepted a hundred years ago and there's no reason to think it doesn't result in a deterioration of the quality of chess.
Not really.
I did exactly that in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2009.
And back then, the time control was longer. 40 moves in 2 hours, sudden death in 1 hour, delay (not increment) 5 seconds per move. And yes, I have had both games in the same day go over 5 1/2 hours.
Back then, if July 4 was on any day but Monday or Tuesday, the schedule was:
Wednesday 7pm
Thursday and Friday 12pm and 7pm
Saturday 11am and 6pm
Sunday 10am and 5pm
If July 4th was a Monday, same schedule but Thursday to Monday. If July 4th was a Tuesday, same schedule but Friday to Tuesday. If July 4th was Wed to Sun, it was Wed to Sun of the week July 4th hit, so if July 4th was a Friday, it was July 2nd to 6th.
Apr 9, 2024
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Optimissed wrote:
Having taken part in many tournaments in the past, I'm very aware that the fifth round of a five round weekend tournament tends to result in a deterioration. In six round three day tournaments, many players took a half point bye on the Sunday morning.
People are people and physiologically, a GM is just the same as an 1800 FIDE or a 2200 FIDE. No difference at all in that respect.
Rating wouldn't be where it differs. Age would.
Those years I mentioned in the other post, I was ages 24 to 30 and 34. This year at that time, I will be 49.
When I was younger, rounds 8 and 9 of specifically the years 2002 and 2005, my age 27 and 30 years, those were the only 2 years I still had a chance at prize money going into the last day, both times, I won both games. It was an adrenaline rush. Not fatigue. Now at 4 weeks shy of 49, could be a different story.
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"who should lose in the repetition of positions and why?"
++ It would be: whoever repeats a previous position loses. E.g. 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Ng1 Ng8 1:0
It is the same in Go and Stratego.
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"Possibly necessary in Go?"
++ It is one reason why draws are rare in Go and why Chess is a draw.
It is also the main winning tactic in Stratego.
"A bad idea in chess." ++ It would make Chess more decisive. E.g.
1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 a6 6 Be3 Ng4 7 Bc1 Nf6 1-0
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 O-O Be7 6 Re1 b5 7 Bb3 d6 7 c3 O-O 8 h3 Re8 9 Ng5 Rf8 10 Nf3 0-1
Many professional chess players, including arguably the best player Magnus Carlsen have suggested several changes in the format of classical chess tournaments, such as reduce the time, introduce Chess960 aka Fischer's Chess, or play 2 classical chess games in a day to make the games more bloody and interesting. If you were given a chance to change something, what would you change?