In search for a book on an opening that I'm studying. Please help

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AleksofCanada

You too AugustZ :)

rational_hazard

http://www.amazon.com/The-Ruy-Lopez-Everyman-Chess/dp/1857446690

move by move books have good reputation

btw what do you do ones your opponents deviates from lines you memorized?

Or what will you do when the line you memorized and wich has given you a large advantage is finished?you still have to finish off the game

AleksofCanada

That's when the tactics and strategies come in rational_hazard ;) If I still suck once I have a good enough opening repertoire, I'll get some books on tactics and strategies. Whatever it takes (also the chess mentor thing here and the tactics trainer). The only reason why I'm deciding to study this way is because I beleive what dzindzi said in a video (if you want me to name the video, I've forgotten wheather it was one on this site or in a video I bought for my dvd player) Dzindzi said that 80% of what you should study for better chess is book openings! The later 20 is tactics and strategies. Wheather I'll be good at memorizing moves on an adequate number of opening repertoire, I'll find out later but (in my humble inexperianced opinion mind you......) there are many people who get better in chess just by watching games unfold out! That's why it's so fun for me to use that game explorer thing. The reason why I want books on openings is because then there can be commentary on the moves that are played. Clearly I don't want to play moves where I don't know what I'm really doing, but that's why I just want information on what I'm doing! lol So I can learn. I could also use that game analasis thing but I beleive (again in my humble inexperianced opinion lol) I beleive that books will tell more than what simple chess notation correctors/suggestions will tell you. But if anyone knows a better way to study chess, to get better, I welcome any advice. At least now that you've read this message ;) It's free will. Nobody says that that hurts.

AleksofCanada

I'm getting a little tired of this thread so, I may not be around for too much longer. Just putting that out there incase someone writes something where it would've been nice to write something back.....

Wayward_son
AleksofCanada wrote:

I beleive that 80% of your chess study time should be devoted to openings. I have a low rating because I basically don't know any openings. This is the first one that I'm going to know about! About that 80% thing, that was what dzindzihashvili said in one of his videos. I didn't beleive it when I first heard it. Oh well. Oh well......

Before investing in the studying I would play some games using the opening (which you already know up to move 7) and see how often you actually get to that move without your opponent going out of book.  If it happens fairly often then it may be useful to study it a little further.  If it doesn't then why spend a lot of time studying something that you are rarely going to see? 

blake78613

Actually you will learn a lot about the closed Spanish studying the Worrall Attack.  Most of the ideas and maneuvers are very similar.   If you study Greet's book you should be able to orient yourself quickly to the closed Spanish.  Following Greet's move order you don't have to worry about the Marshall Attack or the Open Lopez.  The next step would be to learn the Open Spanish and start playing Qe2 on move 6 instead of move 5.  Greet's book is not a bad step towards eventually playing the main line.  His move order cuts out a lot of theory and teaches you things that will carry over.  Many believe that no one under the class of master should play the main line Spanish, because there is so much theory to learn.

AleksofCanada

I knew you were a good guy the moment you said that bit about "if your interested in the closed ruy than good on you" even though we were a bit at odds back there pellik" (well, internet odds lol ;)

I want to ask you one more question if your willing though pellik:

Which is the best tactics and strategy book you ever read? I'll think about studying the italian game too. To everybody else: I think this will do it, thank you for all the help. I can't go to the forum section on this one it's taking up alot of my time so I think this will be it. I like you pellik ;)

rational_hazard

tactics trainer is very good

azziralc

Is there a book on tactics?

blake78613

Rereading your orginal post, I think you are going about it backwards.  Read and master the Greet book first.  It will give you a managable repertoire that will be sufficient for a long time to come.  Once you have mastered the Greet repertoire you can gradually and incrementally change to the main lines.  If you didn't already own the Greek book, I would recommend the Ruy Lopez Move by Move book which will start you out with a d3 Spanish repertoire which you can later expand.  I hate to sound like a spoil sport, but trying to master a main line Ruy repertoire is going to be overwhelming.

koolmobboss

you could try chess life mag if you haven't already.  they have quite a store for books and articles about many openings.

RichColorado

Why don't you joing the Ruy Lopez group?

http://www.chess.com/groups/home/the-radical-ruy-lopez

probinS

hey guys need your help

 

i am in search for some free endgames chess e-books

mattyf9

the reason studying openings is a waste of time is because players of your strength arent going to play book moves in the opening.  So if you spend time memorizing openings the minute your opponent goes out of theory, you're not going to know how to respond.  I'm not very highly rated like pelik so I'm not comparing myself to him but he is right.  He was kind of obnoxious about it so I felt like I needed to explain why studying openings isnt a good idea as it was explained to me.  I feel its good to familiarize yourself with a couple openings and understand basic ideas behind them so you can get a good position out of the opening.  But studying whole books isnt a good idea.  Get silman's amateur mind book and study basic positional ideas.  Get his endgame book and master basic endgames, and do tactics trainer everyday.  That alone will definitely make you better as it worked for me.  Like I said, I'm no expert player.  Just simply passing on good information that was given to me.

AndyClifton
mattyf9 wrote:

I'm not very highly rated like pelik so I'm not comparing myself to him but he is right.  He was kind of obnoxious about it so I felt like I needed to explain why studying openings isnt a good idea as it was explained to me.

He was not, he was funny!

mauriciolopezsr
AleksofCanada wrote:

I'm studying the ruy lopez as deep in as, what in the end, they call: Ruy Lopez Closed

The Eco number is C88 if you need to look it up. If you have to....please.

Any book will do even if it's an old one. One on this specific opening would be ideal, but if there's nothing else, any book will do as long as it has a section on this opening. I already have the "play the ruy lopez" book by andrew greet but it only talks about unusual moves and the worrall attack, or as he calls it, "the worrall system." I'll study that one day but I would like to study the ruy lopez closed for now. Is there stuff on this opening on the internet? I searched and I could only find stuff like the berlin defense and other variations (on many that I now have forgotten, therefor I can't name) I'm searching for the ruy lopez closed. Ok. Thank you. Bye. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

If you want to learn to play the Ruy Lopez you should look into the games of Capablanca, Alekine & Fischer they all used the Ruy Lopez and score some brilliant games with it.

The best way to learn is to study the great players games and learn from their games.