Women generally can't compete against men. There may have been just 1 woman that could.
So if you get rid of woman titles and tournaments, you basically get rid of women.
I do not think male and female sports/activities should be mixed.
You think men and women shouldn't compete in the same chess tournaments?
They should. But should also have their own.
You can't artificially mature teenage boys and girls.
Instead of having 1 female in a male dominated sport (say 20 on a team), you could have 10 of each that can recognize each other as equals. The environment plays a big part in this. And it is possible, see below.
You can't force enough females to play chess if they don't want to, so you will be forced to have women be the minority on any mixed team.
We have enough female chess players. How many more do you need in one playing hall?
I'm talking about in general, and the higher the elos, the less women you'll have.
I don't know the statistics, but I would assume the vast majority of chess players are male, so it would be impossible.
That is why I am addressing females at the younger ages. You get younger females, and as they grow you pair them up with male players of the same age who are NOT going to play sexist games. I am not saying that is easy, but it is possible.
Let's think about it. If girls were not even interested in chess, who would be picked on, the football players or the geeky chess boys?
You can't wipe out this behavior entirely, and to segregate them is rather "catholic" don't you think?
I was in chess club in medical school. I think the average chess meeting had about 14 males and 1 female.
No one was making fun of the females for liking chess nor were there any barriers.
That's great, but I don't think that is going to happen at the high school adolescent stage. Your identity is on the line. Your ego can get smashed if a girl beats you among your teenage buddies.
So, we need an environment that fosters a different way of handling things.
Your example of college medical school has two things that don't apply here with girls in chess. Let's look at men in chess. Can you tell me if there is a top 10, 20, or even top 30 male GM who wasn't playing chess as a kid?
Playing chess at a young age is crucial to make it big. I am older than Kramnik, who has retired from classical chess and was a world champion. But here I am trying to get better so maybe I can get a FIDE rating and reach 2000. It may be a dream, but who cares? As long as I enjoy what I am doing I will continue this dream. Your Alice Lee and Carissa Yips out there have surpassed that.
They are the ones who have a future and can show a woman can reach 2700 super GM status (or as I have elevated it to 2750). What can I do? Show a senior can make it to IM level?
The point is age matters. We should be looking at ways to encourage women to continue like Jennifer Yu and respect those like Alisa Melekhina who is pursuing a different profession.
Teenagers don't care about chess in general.
When I was a teenager I played video games and tried to be physically fit. Those were like my only 2 goals.
Usually either the parents, or the kid themself, loves chess at their young age and that's why they do it.
Social reasons really aren't a big factor.
I just think trying to force kids and teenagers to do something like chess is silly. they should be learning academics and things like that in general, but if the kid wants to learn chess, they should have every opportunity to.
Women generally can't compete against men. There may have been just 1 woman that could.
So if you get rid of woman titles and tournaments, you basically get rid of women.
I do not think male and female sports/activities should be mixed.
You think men and women shouldn't compete in the same chess tournaments?
That is the Taliban way of doing it, even their women agree. See? They are all raising the flag in support.
You must have missed my comment saying it's fine if they participate in mixed tournaments, but they also have their own tournaments because they aren't usually good enough to compete against men but that shouldn't exclude them from playing on a level playing field against eachother.
I wouldn't mind men only, women only, and mixed tournaments.
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We've been here many times before when girls and women were told that they couldn't hope to match up to men in cerebral activities. If history is a guide, then the gender disparity in Chess will prove to be caused by societal expectations.
While female titles encourage interest in Chess from females any level they can only be a good thing.
Women generally can't compete against men. There may have been just 1 woman that could.
So if you get rid of woman titles and tournaments, you basically get rid of women.
I do not think male and female sports/activities should be mixed.
You think men and women shouldn't compete in the same chess tournaments?
They should. But should also have their own.
Male and female IQ are both centered at 100, so I don't know why they shouldn't compete together.
But sure, there are fewer female outliers, and females are less interested in chess in general, so at the top level there wont be women... but that takes care of itself... you don't get invited to top tournaments unless you're good enough. I don't think there's a need to restrict players beyond that.
They find house husbands utterly repulsive on a guttural/visceral level.
Ummm, you're a guy that apparently thinks smoking is still cool, so...not sure you really know what the majority of women think these days, but have fun down at the pub .
Then hold on to your handbag and make sure you're sitting down, because it's actually worse. Women generally don't even like men earning less than them:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/marriage-mismatch-husbands-wives-earnings-education-jobs.html
etc etc
Shocker, just like men enjoying video games and water being wet.
It is becoming financial nonsense for both parents to work in this country, as the cost of childcare is through the roof. It is better for the better paid parent to go out to work, and the other parent to stay at home.🇬🇧
Kids are a family thing. My grandmothers, aunts, cousins and whoever else was at our house every single day after school, and didn't even need to be.
If your grandparents are/were feminists then tough luck to you.
They find house husbands utterly repulsive on a guttural/visceral level.
Ummm, you're a guy that apparently thinks smoking is still cool, so...not sure you really know what the majority of women think these days, but have fun down at the pub .
Then hold on to your handbag and make sure you're sitting down, because it's actually worse. Women generally don't even like men earning less than them:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/marriage-mismatch-husbands-wives-earnings-education-jobs.html
etc etc
Shocker, just like men enjoying video games and water being wet.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
They find house husbands utterly repulsive on a guttural/visceral level.
Ummm, you're a guy that apparently thinks smoking is still cool, so...not sure you really know what the majority of women think these days, but have fun down at the pub .
Then hold on to your handbag and make sure you're sitting down, because it's actually worse. Women generally don't even like men earning less than them:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/marriage-mismatch-husbands-wives-earnings-education-jobs.html
etc etc
Shocker, just like men enjoying video games and water being wet.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
He defends his silly assertions by just making more.
As others have pointed out, you just talk rubbish.
What? C'mon... how is the game of Chess "anti-feminist"? Is it because girls (usually) don't play chess? Girls CAN play chess, most of them just don't for some reason, and that's their decision.
Although (and this may be controversial) I do find it odd that women titles require less points to be obtained than the "regular" titles. Shouldn't us women be held to the same standards as men when we are just as capable of learning the game as they are? It is not like physical sports where men have an obvious physical advantage. Then again, I am no expert in this, so I very well could have a flawed understanding, it just strikes me as peculiar upon first glance. (If there is a reason for it, please do educate me, I'd love to know. 🙂) I still don't think it's an "anti-feminist" game, though. Both men and women can learn to play just fine.
I've played for 4 months and I've never done a real-life tournament so I can't speak for the environments there. I can't speak for all chess clubs either, but I can definitely say that my chess club, despite consisting of mostly men, has never given me a hard time for being a girl. They haven't even mentioned it, they don't care. They treat me the same as they treat everyone else, although I've heard that they do have some women-only tournaments, which I haven't checked out.
I have been in quite a few chess Discord servers as well, nobody there has given me a hard time for being a girl.
We've been here many times before when girls and women were told that they couldn't hope to match up to men in cerebral activities. If history is a guide, then the gender disparity in Chess will prove to be caused by societal expectations.
While female titles encourage interest in Chess from females any level they can only be a good thing.
I am encouraged that some people understand, even if those who don’t are a vocal and shrinking minority.
The use of that odd term "anti-feminist" is speaking volumes about the massive loss of vocabulary the present generation is having.
Well, actually, I also noticed that weird word, and I took it as a sign that the OP is a troll. Probably male.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
He defends his silly assertions by just making more.
As others have pointed out, you just talk rubbish.
It's actually 41.5% in the U.S.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
He defends his silly assertions by just making more.
As others have pointed out, you just talk rubbish.
Several hours to reply with deflection. Sad.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
He defends his silly assertions by just making more.
As others have pointed out, you just talk rubbish.
Several hours to reply with deflection. Sad.
Lol. It's Saturday night...I was out. Were you sitting around waiting? Now *that* is sad.
Yes, there are lots of immature women, just like there are lots of immature men. Those numbers are shrinking. Video gamers are 40% female, by the way.
He defends his silly assertions by just making more.
As others have pointed out, you just talk rubbish.
Several hours to reply with deflection. Sad.
Lol. It's Saturday night...I was out. Were you sitting around waiting? Now *that* is sad.
My reply was when I checked it. Make your case for house husbands etc.
Should be good.
My reply was when I checked it. Make your case for house husbands etc.
Should be good.
I don't need to make any case for house husbands. Why would I? Don't imagine you are any more worthwhile, I'll say that.
Women generally can't compete against men. There may have been just 1 woman that could.
So if you get rid of woman titles and tournaments, you basically get rid of women.
I do not think male and female sports/activities should be mixed.
You think men and women shouldn't compete in the same chess tournaments?