Is FIDE sexist?

You mean in the future?

4 posts for this to turn into a train wreck, thats fast even for this site.

MSC157 yes, I mean in the future. In spanish we have the subjunctive mood very clear and in others languages puts me in trouble.

It's kind of the same in Slovenian, so no problems.

Maybe 'will' instead of 'would', but hey, I'm not a linguist. ;)

Hmm, what train wreck? Me?

It's marketing (for FIDE and the WGMs). Chess is not popular among women and girls, so you need to generate a few stars for girls to look up to. Also, I bet WGMs get more money for lessons with that on their resume than without it. I welcome the use of such marketing if it is driven by a desire for more female chess players.

I can't really believe any competitor (at least at a high level) feels sorry for their opponent.  In fact I can hardly believe if they say they don't enjoy watching their opponent suffer.  Especially in a game as cruel as chess where the art of winning a won game is to first tie each of your opponent's limbs down, one by one, before going to slit their throat.

Great responses Elubas, lesuhAn, achja, and Interesting point ohpunky81! Thanks for keeping the thread on point.

I often have to work through school perfomance studies and they all prove that there is no significant difference in general intelligence between man and woman (by the way, the difference in math capabilities fades if external influences are changed too), and i am talking about huge meta-studies, just look up the most recent pisa or iglu (edit: i meant timss of course instead of iglu -.-) studies...so much unqualified bull... in one threat makes me sad

Maybe on average.  At the extremes of math, this is very doubtful, since women have zero Fields Medals, three of 61 Turing Awards, very few of other major mathematical prizes, developed very few major mathematical concepts or theorems (yes, I know about Emmy Noether, Sophie Germain, etc. -- I said very few, not none.)

BS, 2-1 doesn't prove anything statistically. Woww dolph lundgren now you bring out the big guns :'). Sure there are lots more smart women then you describe. Also ironic you think kasparov has an higher iq then Einstein, you got proof or you just producing more bull like in this thread most of your posts are. 

Those that are good enough to be a GM are labelled that, such as Judit Polgar.

There seems a lot of ignorance on this. The sexism is actually against the men.  Women can compete for the same prize money as men if they want, but most want the easy option of just playing women so they can earn money easier.  Even at Gibralter where women played men there was a separate prize money for the women and the situation could arise where a woman who did worse than a man could actually earn more prize money than them.

No doubt this separation was originally done to help encourage female players, but it's obviously a cushy position which doesn't encourage further development of players.

Actually, the sexism is against both genders, as is the case with all sexism/racism. I agree with the rest though.

The sexism is against men in that they're expected to be innately better at chess than women. This sexism is the source of such comments like, 'I can't believe that you lost to a girl.' 'Sissy.' etc. It's like the racist idea that Asians are innately the best at math. These stereotypes are harmful to both groups involved. Money given to winners of female chess tournaments could have been given to a more deserving male or female player who has won in a regular tournament.

If women are significantly innately weaker at chess than men then there should be different titles. However, it's impossible to tell if this is true with the current system in place. The FIDE women's titles don't help matters. The women's titles are presented to women like the normal FIDE titles are presented to all chess players. A title of WFM is a superb achievement. Thus, the title of WGM, like the GM title, is something that's 'very rare'. If GMs are the best of the best, then WGMs are also the best of the best...but wait a minute. While a 2300 rating is enough to get the 'esteemed' title of WGM, it's only enough to get the original FM title--the lowest of the regular FIDE titles.

Think of what this has to do to an aspiring chess player's mind if they're a woman. Even if they get the 'rare' best of the best women's title, that's still only the lowest of the titles that men are allowed to achieve. Not only do women have to get to WGM to be the 'best'--after they're done that they have to achieve two more titles, IM and GM, to be officially among the best of the best chess players in general. That's five titles that they're expected to work towards. While they can ignore women's titles, tournaments, and money, some of them can't due to financial reasons (think wage gap and the economy for everyone in general). Thus, most will work to achieve the women's FIDE titles, and like many men stop at their first title, many women will too. Imagine if there were five general titles--FM, IM, GM, Carlsen, and SF (stockfish). Would you really be that motivated to go for the latter two titles after having achieved the first three?

Getting into chess with the societal attitudes and titles that suggest that women are innately worse than men at chess does not make for an equal opportunity. There's at least one study that shows how if you expect to do badly at something, you will.)

Are you joking?

I hope you mean the WGM title. If you mean that women should never have the GM title because women's tournaments might allow women to rank up 'easier', then eliminate women's tournaments. If you think that a woman shouldn't be a GM even if she beats the same people as a male GM then I have nothing to say to you...

                 He's a troll. He's been here 2 weeks and hasn't played any chess.

@MonkeyH ... don't believe me about Kasparov having a 180 IQ? easy way to solve that... google it

I did:

"Some sources give Kasparov an IQ between 185 and 190. But one source has it listed as 135. In 1987-88, the German magazine Der Spiegel went to considerable effort and expense to find out Kasparov's IQ. Under the supervision of an international team of psychologists, Kasparov was given a large battery of tests designed to measure his memory, spatial ability, and abstract reasoning. They measured his IQ as 135 and his memory as one of the very best."

And einstein:  "

Wow, that's a messed-up statement.

I don't think anyone (except this guy, if he's being serious) advocates denying women from reaching a legitimate GM title, as long as they reach the same criteria as men do.

I'll say again that I think the WGM/WIM/WFM titles are sexist because they originate from the assumption that women can't really be as good as men at chess - "they can never really be GMs, so lets give them something else to aspire to."

Wait, what? You think not studying serves as an excuse, a reason to get rewards easier? Along your logic, someone in my grade should be valedictorian because they do okay without studying, instead of truly succeeding through study.