I was career US Army (retired now). I have been to "Area 51." All it really is is an installation to test experimental military airplanes.
I said once and will say it again.
Anybody that say they know about Area 51 knows nothing about it. Anybody that says they know nothing knows everything and nowhere to be found.
I remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11/2001. Amazing events make a huge impression, just like witnessing a baffling object in the sky
Yes, and so did people particpating in a study, who were asked soon after the event where they were. Then they were asked again. much later.
These answers didn't match up very well. Depending on what you were asking (who you were with, where were you, how did you find out) there were error rates approaching 40%.
And if you don't think you could possible be in error - well, neither did the 35% or so who were wrong. its just numbers. your memories of the event have about a 35% error rate.
Not my memories, of course, which are perfect.
I remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11/2001. Amazing events make a huge impression, just like witnessing a baffling object in the sky
Yes, and so did people particpating in a study, who were asked soon after the event where they were. Then they were asked again. much later.
These answers didn't match up very well. Depending on what you were asking (who you were with, where were you, how did you find out) there were error rates approaching 40%.
And if you don't think you could possible be in error - well, neither did the 35% or so who were wrong. its just numbers. your memories of the event have about a 35% error rate.
Not my memories, of course, which are perfect.
Three out of ten UFO reports could be faulty memory? Okay.
Anybody that really knows anything about this subject will have the feds at their door in 5-30 minutes. Or if you type something true that is your ass. I know somethings that were show on a late show..... real late at night that shown what the government was hiding or should i say countries were hiding.
Not going any deeper than that as i have no plans to see any form of MIB in my face. And for sure they would threaten me with chess. An the relentless chess insults around the clock and not able to refute them with a gun to my head. As they can take you out in the name of national security.
I was career US Army (retired now). I have been to "Area 51." All it really is is an installation to test experimental military airplanes.
Area 51 no doubt is a testing site for experimental airplanes, but it may have had other sinister uses before. A previously secret memo, concerning Guy Hottel, special agent, reports that UFO's crashed in Mexico. In such situations, it is not unlikely that these UFO's had been taken to military installations, I mean... best place really.
Some guy "reports" that UFO's crashed in (New) Mexico.
Well, hell, thats good enough for us. Now, what did they do with these UFO? Thats the only question remaining, because the fact of it being UFO has already been well documented by some clowns "report". The hard work has been done, all thats left for us investigators 40 years later is to find out which government facility the aliens were hauled off to. Now, I am guessing Area 51, because, well, it was in all the movies and stuff.
First Posted: 08/24/11 02:30 PM ET Updated: 12/15/11 06:48 PM ET
Here's a collection of images that Leslie Kean put together for The Huffington Post on Aug. 23, 2010, to promote the publication of her book:
"There is a phenomenon here and there are many high level officials, including pilots and government people, who have been involved with it and who stand behind the existence of UFOs.
"We make the point that we don't know what they are and that there are a significant number of cases that need to be studied further," Kean told The Huffington Post.
One compelling case presented in "Secret Access," which has become known as the Rendlesham Forest incident, involved more than 50 military eyewitnesses stationed at the joint U.S. Air Force/NATO bases, Bentwaters and Woodbridge, in Suffolk in 1980.
As the incident unfolded, numerous UFOs of various shapes and sizes appeared near the bases, according to a voice recording of deputy base commander, Lt. Col. Charles Halt during the event.
"This was something of intelligent control beyond any technology we know," Halt told this reporter several months ago. "It's my firm belief that it was extraterrestrial or from a different dimension."
Then there's the remarkable case involving former Arizona Gov. Fife Symington, which began on the night of March 13, 1997, when crowds of citizens reported gigantic, silent craft moving around in the skies around Phoenix and which took off silently at blazing speeds. Witnesses included police officers, pilots, military personnel and -- as was finally revealed 10 years later -- Symington himself.
The two-term governor was at home, watching television when news came on announcing UFO reports in the nearby area. Symington's security detail had gone for the day, and he decided to get into his car alone and check it out.
"I was expecting to see something in the distance, but was awestruck when this thing went overhead. It was moving steadily and quietly," he told The Huffington Post.
Symington's description of the huge boomerang-shaped craft matched many others who also reported it that night.
After three months of local media coverage, the Arizona sightings finally hit the national airwaves and were dubbed the "Phoenix Lights." With growing public demand for an explanation, Symington -- still tight-lipped about his own sighting -- held a national press conference that would haunt him for years.
Claiming to have the culprit responsible for the Phoenix Lights, the governor introduced his chief of staff dressed as an alien and wearing handcuffs. As his staffer was unmasked, Symington told the press,"This just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious."
Ten years after his phony alien stunt, Symington finally fessed up about his own dramatic 1997 Phoenix sighting.
"Well, I was confronted by good citizens who were really upset with me, and I didn't realize the depth of their anger. It just really bothered my conscience, so I felt I really needed to square with the truth and that's what I did."
Symington admits there's a taboo about elected officials talking about UFOs.
"I think if you hold a high public office, that the minute you start talking about UFOs or extraterrestrials or anything of that nature, the media immediately tees off and ridicules it. I often refer to the media culture in our country as the culture of ridicule.
"So, everybody reaches for their ridicule gun first before they seriously address the issue when it comes to the matter of UFOs. If you're an elected official, you really need to be careful about what you say, because the media can just totally destroy your credibility."
"Secret Access" isn't the first UFO program presented by the History Channel, according to Julian Hobbs, vice president of development and production.
"History doesn't necessarily believe or disbelieve in UFOs. In this case, what really caught our eye about Leslie's book was this idea that 95 percent of all UFO sightings can be pretty easily dismissed -- it's the 5 percent in which you have literally governors, military officials, pilots -- people normally considered to be level-headed, sane and credible," Hobbs told The Huffington Post.
"There wouldn't be the film without the book. When I read Leslie's book, on which the film is based, it changed my opinion about the fact that I think it's worth further investigation into these phenomena," Hobbs added.
Kean, herself, is optimistic about potential contact with extraterrestrials.
"I would hope that they are benign visitors from other planets -- that they would be something that could in some way benefit our own struggle on this planet," Kean said. "Even if we knew that we were not alone in the universe, somehow that knowledge alone could affect how we perceive ourselves and maybe affect the future of our civilization."
And Symington is much more outspoken on the subject now than he was while governor of Arizona.
"I know what I saw. To me, there's no question that we've experienced extraterrestrial visits and civilizations that are far more advanced than we are," he suggested.
"I don't approach it from a fearful standpoint. I actually like to think that we're not alone in the universe, and I'm not bashful on the subject. I think we're dealing with some fascinating unknowns and someday, the truth will out."
The History Channel presentation of "Secret Access: UFOs On The Record", premieres Thursday, Aug. 25 at 8 p.m. EDT.
It's a common crank theme to say ''aliens from another dimension.'' Dimension and ''universe'' mean two different things in physics. If you say from another universe, then we are talking about possible wormholes and parallel universes.
You talk as if science has a handle on other dimensions and what it means -- or of dark matter. No-one has any idea., , Other dimensions or dark matter may not even exist, being inventions to hold the big bang theory and string theory together. So scientists (honest ones) admit they have no more idea than you -- or me.
Actually we have very a very good solid definition of what a ''dimension'' is. We also have very good idea's what Dark Matter is, and some particles even qualify as dark matter, I suggest you need to do some reading into it.
Thanks for your advice. However, I refer you to a book written by two scientists, Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott "The Electric Universe." They produce evidence and data to argue that accepted theory on the Big bang etc is wrong. They are not alone by any means. I only point this out to indicate that a great deal of science is NOT settled. Theories only survive until someone produces better ones. A little humility is the hallmark of the scientist -- forever searching, forever measuring and forever having to review one's opinion. But it must be nice to be so certain --a very temporary illusion -- I'm afraid.
And you guys talking about who has the best scietinfic mind....seriously.
We all know who.
News flash - History channel puts on stuff about UFO's.
Sanwiched between "pawn stars" and "Ice Road truckers".
Does anyone have any idea what the acronym "H.I.S.T.O.R.Y." stands for? I bet its a fascinating, to be able to support such a mish mash of shows.
You can't downplay the significance of this.
Any relation to that guy that worked at area 51, and had all the intimiate details of how they were trying to reverse engineer the UFO? Then, asked by someone who had actually worked there where the bathrooms were, came up empty.
What exactly did Ellen Henry photograph in the sky above Santee, Calif., on May 7?
"It was clear and certainly not a bug," Henry told local ABC TV affiliate News 10.
Henry is a member of the Santee Historical Society (SHS) located in San Diego County and, according to the SanteePatch, was taking pictures of a historical building, the Edgemoor Barn.
What's history channel got to do with this? I am talking about previously secret memo's, hidden in the archives of the FBI.
Totally different.
Another news flash - you arent the only one posting.
I remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11/2001. Amazing events make a huge impression, just like witnessing a baffling object in the sky
Yes, and so did people particpating in a study, who were asked soon after the event where they were. Then they were asked again. much later.
These answers didn't match up very well. Depending on what you were asking (who you were with, where were you, how did you find out) there were error rates approaching 40%.
And if you don't think you could possible be in error - well, neither did the 35% or so who were wrong. its just numbers. your memories of the event have about a 35% error rate.
Not my memories, of course, which are perfect.
Another job i had was Telemarketing! lol.
The people they ask are in different categories and they use several companies. And as anybody knows you can take facts and make them sound like the truth. A big difference between facts and truth. That is why they tell the truth and nothing but the whole truth.
During experiments in college we had a term called fudging. The experiment came out ok but acceptable standards for a controlled test. So one group would ask what another group came up with and move their data closer in that direction. If we are all off we can blame it on some random act that produced these results. Fudging data has been around for years as companies take short cuts.
35% of how many people. 35% of what age group. 35% of group that might have been taking a survey during a holiday when they might have been drinking. Or better where these people taking the survey late at night where they say anything to get the survey done and off the phone. In which case the person doing the interview does not want to lose this person and speeds the process of completing the survey. As they need x amount of surveys completed per day.
Man i must be getting paranoid as i heard noise outside my house and had to check the boys in blue were knocking. All ready telling too much.
Well, at least we can all lift a glass of Pan Galactic Gargleblaster in celebration of Towel Day tomorrow.
You can't downplay the significance of this.
Any relation to that guy that worked at area 51, and had all the intimiate details of how they were trying to reverse engineer the UFO? Then, asked by someone who had actually worked there where the bathrooms were, came up empty.
http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view
Try this memory test. Without looking back at the document:
1. Was this in reference to the 1947 Roswell incident?
2. Was Guy Hottel an actual witness to the event he was describing?
Now, look at the document and see if you got the right answers.
The Roswell incident wasn't invented until decades after it was supposed to have happened.
Well, at least we can all lift a glass of Pan Galactic Gargleblaster in celebration of Towel Day tomorrow.
Lol! What?
I remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11/2001. Amazing events make a huge impression, just like witnessing a baffling object in the sky
Yes, and so did people particpating in a study, who were asked soon after the event where they were. Then they were asked again. much later.
These answers didn't match up very well. Depending on what you were asking (who you were with, where were you, how did you find out) there were error rates approaching 40%.
And if you don't think you could possible be in error - well, neither did the 35% or so who were wrong. its just numbers. your memories of the event have about a 35% error rate.
Not my memories, of course, which are perfect.
Another job i had was Telemarketing! lol.
The people they ask are in different categories and they use several companies. And as anybody knows you can take facts and make them sound like the truth. A big difference between facts and truth. That is why they tell the truth and nothing but the whole truth.
During experiments in college we had a term called fudging. The experiment came out ok but acceptable standards for a controlled test. So one group would ask what another group came up with and move their data closer in that direction. If we are all off we can blame it on some random act that produced these results. Fudging data has been around for years as companies take short cuts.
35% of how many people. 35% of what age group. 35% of group that might have been taking a survey during a holiday when they might have been drinking. Or better where these people taking the survey late at night where they say anything to get the survey done and off the phone. In which case the person doing the interview does not want to lose this person and speeds the process of completing the survey. As they need x amount of surveys completed per day.
So, let me get this straight - you are saying people cannot be trusted?
I remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11/2001. Amazing events make a huge impression, just like witnessing a baffling object in the sky