is it worth playing the Scandinavian 2.exd5 mf6 3.Bb5+

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YOUR THOUGHTS?
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I play Bb5+ as white vs 2.Nf6 Scandinavian. Are you asking if its worth playing Nf6 because of the reply Bb5+? I still find it tricky with white in blitz, but less so in daily when I have time to think carefully. If I play Scandinavian with black I just go 2.Qxd5.

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I mean,I play bb5+.worth it?

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Well I think its a good move, you develop with check and force a decision from black how to block. If c6 dxc6 bxc6 I think Be2 is the best retreat square and you should be able to keep the extra pawn if youre careful. Other moves like Nc6/Nd7 I think you should play d4 and develop quickly. If Bd7 then Bxd7 and d4. Let black get the pawn back Nxd5 but get a lead in development and a nice position. Dont tie yourself in knots trying to keep the extra pawn.

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this line sucks.its refuted by Nbd7

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JusaRandomGuy wrote:

this line sucks.its refuted by Nbd7

What do you mean by "refuted"? whites got a good position

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JusaRandomGuy wrote:

this line sucks.its refuted by Nbd7

A laughably simplistic and also incorrect assessment. I would normally qualify this with 'in my opinion' but I don't think its necessary here. Please elaborate further and provide evidence or simply don't post nonsense which people looking for genuinely useful advice may listen to.

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after Nbd7 what white gonna do?later black plays a6 then white bishop need to move again wasting a tempo.if bishop went to a4 then black plays b5 making the bishop to move again.then black knight goes to b6 threatening d pawn

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if white takes the knight then black got bishop pair

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Thankyou for giving backup to your opinion. I will disagree however, after Nbd7 white can play d4, Nf3, 0-0. Nxd5 by black seems necessary or c4 is coming and it's just down a pawn for nothing. There is little point in black going a6, white just drops back Be2. This is not really a tempo loss IMO because black has also lost time. Blacks kingside is completely undeveloped and it is he who is behind.

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why you play bb5+ if you going to retreat to be2 black has just play an un develop pawn to a6 the white just move his nice develop bishop back to e2.which is a waste of time.Better to play 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Be2

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The point is that with Bb5+ you are preventing the smooth development of blacks queenside pieces by giving check and forcing a piece to go to d7 - or a full pawn sacrifice with c6. Moving the bishop back to e2 after this is not a clear loss of time/tempo. The bishop has done its job as I just described and also how useful is a6 for black? Ok it makes the bishop retreat to another decent square but nothing else - so black has not gained a tempo with this move.

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2.exd5 Nf6 3.Be2 is not bad, but black now has the additional option of Qxd5.

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Yes, 3.Bb5+ is a very good move.

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I play 2...Nf6 in blitz against people who I think are bad.

3.Bb5 is one of the moves I don't want to see.

3.d4 Nxd5 4.c4 Nb6 5.Nf3 is also something I don't want to see as black.

 

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How about 3. c4 ...c6 4. d4 @poodle_noodle ?

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Ohhh i get it now lol