is Magnus carlsen the goat?

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Immaterialgirlz

And, btw, please point out the flaws in my reasoning. Otherwise, your commentary simply makes you appear a bitter, old fool clinging on to bygone idols. Like magipi does.

CanIHaveMyQueenBack

I use to say so but now I think Fisher is. Computer engines say in Fishers data base of games he performed top engine move 71% Magnus 70%. Now Magnus has the privilege to study with computers Fisher didn't, if he had I imagine that number being higher.

Duncan-Mcloud43

Yes obviously......Staticaly and actually the best there is followed by hikaru...

Duncan-Mcloud43
CanIHaveMyQueenBack wrote:

I use to say so but now I think Fisher is. Computer engines say in Fishers data base of games he performed top engine move 71% Magnus 70%. Now Magnus has the privilege to study with computers Fisher didn't, if he had I imagine that number being higher.

I agree, but you need to also consider title defenses and number of games played. Magnus is the best chess player of all time.

Immaterialgirlz
CanIHaveMyQueenBack wrote:

I use to say so but now I think Fisher is. Computer engines say in Fishers data base of games he performed top engine move 71% Magnus 70%. Now Magnus has the privilege to study with computers Fisher didn't, if he had I imagine that number being higher.

If we are referencing CAPS scores, Carlsen has a small statistical edge over both Fischer and Kasparov. Not sure what study you're alluding to when quoting their respective accuracies.

In any case, historical whataboutism is just a mental cope for holding on to your idols. It may very well be the case that Fischer would be better than Carlsen if he had computer engines to study with, but he didn't. All we have to measure the playing strength of these players are the statistical analyses of their games. The evidence clearly points to Carlsen's superiority.

Fischer is dead and his record is inferior to Carlsen's. Hence he is not the greatest of all time and won't be.

Immaterialgirlz

When we are speaking about who is the GOAT(greatest of all time) it's important to remain tethered to reality. All this talk of what could have been if things had been different is pure drivel. Just stick to the facts.